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Re: clans never "died"

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Anu_Enlil is not online. Anu_Enlil
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28 Jun 2016 02:44 PM
i don't often c&g anymore but it's clear to me that clans never "died" they simply changed

clans aren't just like warring tribes anymore, there's distinct "cultures" within clans and alliances

clans resemble modern states now in a sense that now clans focus more on technological advancement and peacetime and regulated wars, i'm shocked there's no central governing body similar to the UN already with the way clans are going

not to mention literal groups based off of nation-states

if you think clans are dying or miss old clans it means it's time to quit or modernise your mindset because like all things, clans change

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CommendableFlight is not online. CommendableFlight
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28 Jun 2016 02:44 PM
smart guy
gg
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DystraTala is not online. DystraTala
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28 Jun 2016 02:45 PM
I liked it better when things were more chaotic and every aspect of a war wasn't organized


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Vevicus is not online. Vevicus
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28 Jun 2016 02:47 PM
Chaotic wars all over the place were better.


~Didact of Invicta~
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Anu_Enlil is not online. Anu_Enlil
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28 Jun 2016 02:47 PM
i quit because i missed the old tribal aspect and this new type of diplomacy and warfare simply isn't fun to me but it's no secret clan culture changed and even more skilled tactical combat replaced a simple crazy melee but i guess that's how it is now fam

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Anu_Enlil is not online. Anu_Enlil
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28 Jun 2016 02:51 PM
also shoutout to clans in the middle ages w/ queens and gender based politics lmao

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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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28 Jun 2016 02:53 PM
clans are dying

activity is super low compared to old days, wars are super low, wars dont start, clans have devalued the average member, a clan attitude of "do anything to win" persists rather than old values

sure, obviously clans have changed, but that doesn't mean they haven't "died" in the meantime
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Anu_Enlil is not online. Anu_Enlil
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28 Jun 2016 02:55 PM
everytime a major social change happens, there's usually some sort of recession or "disaster" accompanying it, at least that's how it's shown to be in real life, if anything every group of clans, IE: C&G Clans, Star Wars Clans, RP Clans, etc all have their own separate communities and while little clusters propser, other's don't

for real life comparisons look at europe during the dark ages while east asia prospered, clans haven't outright died, there's just been social changes and other clan types have still experienced prosperity while C&G might not have

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Anu_Enlil is not online. Anu_Enlil
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28 Jun 2016 02:59 PM
furthermore in some ways C&G has made major process when assessing how we subconsciously act on this forum and within the community alongside real life philosophies.

clans now have unspoken rules in war and in peacetime and members have unspoken rights that are just respected, much like the idea of chivalry in the middle ages, it's remarkably fast progress for such a young community considering the clan feature in it's most recognisable form was only created in 2009

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Moose_God is not online. Moose_God
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28 Jun 2016 03:03 PM
We're talking just about 'the clan world' and maybe more broadly sword clans too, clans are rallying much less when population of roblox is exploding. This isn't a short 'change recession' I'd argue it's been in decline since 2013! Now clans went from an average of 20-30 at midnight when no one is awake for a 'game training' with no shout in advance to 15-20 planned weeks ahead for a 'rally that will change your lives, mandatory!'


And I too miss chaotic warfare, especially because you don't actually WIN anything in the end, maybe Roverse will change that, maybe it wont



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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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28 Jun 2016 03:05 PM
we dont have unspoken rules in war nor peace. if anything this existed in the past, but now its worse

clans blatantly lie to the public and make alterations to their already unfair bases. for example, having higher damage for their "same" guns without telling anyone, having teleports, banning members for pointless reasons, refusing to defend, rallying to defend and waiting over 30 minutes to enter the server, etc.

at least in the past some of this stuff was explicit, but now clans and wars have gotten so out of hand that they hardly even occur anymore

just take the most "recent" war declarations. uaf/rat = never happened. foa/rat = never happened. foa/vak = probably won't happen (unless foa gives up a ton of things on their base since vak is unfair)

anything with change usually fazes people, but after that change things are supposed to "get better"

how have clans gotten any better besides perhaps organization and technology? clans are stagnant now
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stix7 is not online. stix7
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28 Jun 2016 03:06 PM
ned laying out dah truth
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Anu_Enlil is not online. Anu_Enlil
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28 Jun 2016 03:07 PM
Perhaps the lower attendances seem alarming but you have to also realise that ROBLOX has changed an awful lot and in the grand scheme of things the clan feature was terribly neglected and left behind for a long time and has seen no real major overhauls so for where the clan feature lies on the list of priorities for the ROBLOX admins we still do quiet well

Most of the best real nations and most "active" periods in history came from a long decline, look at the several Renaissance periods in Europe during and after the dark ages for an example, it'll experience some sort of boom eventually when someone truly revolutionises clans, a one in a million type leader or dev maybe

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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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28 Jun 2016 03:45 PM
yeah but clans have been on the decline for almost 3 years now so this "boom" has been long awaited

also, i dont think we can entirely blame roblox for disregarding the clan community. clans no longer hold as much influence or attention on roblox as other genres or games do, so why would they bother wasting their time to help?

if i got into am entire argument about clan theory, it would take a long time and a lot of writing, so ill try to sum it up.

the clan attitude of "doing anything to win" caused one of the greatest shifts in clan and is devastating to them. the advancement of such an attitude mainly came about from the vak/tgi war (where vak showed they could do anything to win) and clans followed suit, and this attitude has taken a toll on modern clans

this attitude caused a devaluation of the average member or "noob" and pandered to the elite fighters (which caused the average member's activity to decline and clans to not want these members anymore)

this resulted in reduction of vip recruiting, which was one of the most important things the clan world had to offer. it was the most efficient method of recruitment. sure, it may have brought "noobs," but it also sparked interest in newer members to fill the gaps of the old.

since clans no longer wanted these members (and it was frowned upon if you vip recruited), the clan community's activity slowly declined and so did its memberbase. again, why would roblox want clan specific updates if the clan world is losing its activity?

its the fault of the clans themselves for them dying, and if the clan world wishes to prosper again and experience that "boom," then clans need to stop worrying about their "reputation"/what c&g thinks of them and vip recruit/have wars for fun again rather than winning
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Urvo is not online. Urvo
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28 Jun 2016 03:46 PM
clans have never been better I THINK aside from the cheating


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webspace is not online. webspace
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28 Jun 2016 03:49 PM
>most top groups of the time get 10,000 visits a week at forts easy


>most top groups of this time struggle to get 1000 visits a week






ok


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Anu_Enlil is not online. Anu_Enlil
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28 Jun 2016 03:49 PM
you make a convincing argument when compiling a list of the failures within clans which i can concede are all good points, however with the changing attitudes and discovery that some things aren't going as well as others, people have changed their views on things such as VIP recruitment

there's a long way to go yet, but i think with a group effort we can overcome the lack of new member influx, the skill level has made the learning curve too great for newer members now but that's why we tend to have unskilled bigger clans, they give us someone to war and a sense of us vs them and they help bring people into clans

admittedly we lack that "bad big clan" coalition we used to have in groups like GG and JC and other groups along that sort of style, but that doesn't go to say there wont' be a replacement/resurgence in that style of group

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webspace is not online. webspace
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28 Jun 2016 03:50 PM
you're typing a lot and not saying very much


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Anu_Enlil is not online. Anu_Enlil
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28 Jun 2016 03:51 PM
its ok webspace you can have your 2d girls, they're just not here yet

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Urvo is not online. Urvo
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28 Jun 2016 03:52 PM
let weebspace pretend he knows everything about clans tho he never does much in clans anyways and is more known as an lmader


clans aren't in a state of decay
only nostalgic fools think so


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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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28 Jun 2016 03:53 PM
@urvo

just because he may not participate in clans doesnt mean what he pointed out is wrong
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Urvo is not online. Urvo
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28 Jun 2016 03:54 PM
nobody said he was wrong, but if we're being technical this is just all of your guys' opinion

nobody is right nor wrong in this scenario, debating over the obvious is lame everyone has been saying clans are dying since 2013 when in reality they aren't


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webspace is not online. webspace
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28 Jun 2016 03:54 PM
shows how much you know about me or clans



i don't blame you though, a new nobody has 0 reason to know who i am


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Urvo is not online. Urvo
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28 Jun 2016 03:55 PM
nice bait
but you aren't relevant in clans really whatsoever anymore despite what your ego and you think


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webspace is not online. webspace
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28 Jun 2016 03:55 PM
particularly as you pointed out i opted to leave clans as they started to crash in activity around late 2013


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