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what in particular about vulcan is unfair

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espressos is not online. espressos
Joined: 10 Jun 2011
Total Posts: 17628
26 Jun 2016 09:14 PM
For anyone that doesn't realize now, told you guys not to post opinions because you can see shes arguing against all of them lol.

and "some raiders" you're a super clan, and FoA generates more raiders then you.

come on now, just get lily to give the clan away.

Tried to hire a stylist, couldn't style me, cant keep me under control im rowdy.
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kingkendrick141 is not online. kingkendrick141
Joined: 16 Sep 2009
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26 Jun 2016 09:17 PM
Like I said, that "one thing" is a HUGE deal.

And if I had to wager anything, it's probably because VS is one of the few groups which still actively patrols. Good for you guys, doesn't make your fort automatically fantastic. And just because it's "designed" to give defenders an advantage doesn't mean it actually gives defenders an advantage.

Furthermore, 1-2 seconds(From my experience, it's closer to 15-20) can be a HUGE deal when you're talking about such a linear fort. 20 seconds means that by the time I'm at the first wall, you're already in a superior position on the second wall where you can shoot at me in enough cover that I can't land a single shot on you.

And just because you've renovated doesn't mean that it's better and up to date.
You're still using a 5 year old fort design.
And I get I'm in WIJ and we've been using Indigo II for 3 years now and it's old and stuff. But past that, Indigo II is generally regarded as balancing out to be pretty damn fair, and we're also in the process of replacing it. Not updating it so it looks better but keeping the same design, but replacing it. New everything. Shiny, got that new fort smell. All of it.

Like I said, and I will keep saying until you finally understand, VS needs to(and would benefit immensely) from replacing vulcan entirely with a completely new design and system.

Stop being lazy-just because you've been riding JGA1's momentum for the past few years has been decently successful at keeping you alive is no excuse to not try and be better. Honestly, VS has such great potential and it's being wasted by a lazy HICOM.
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MyPurgeBegins is not online. MyPurgeBegins
Joined: 03 Oct 2011
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26 Jun 2016 09:18 PM
One person on the term and the roof where VS can flank. Through the glass.



Are you ready for My Purge to Begin? Because I am.
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kingkendrick141 is not online. kingkendrick141
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26 Jun 2016 09:19 PM
I'm not trying to insult or attack you here but people have been telling VS for a very long time now that Vulcan is unfair(because it is, and the only reason that organized raiders from WIJ, FOA, VAK, RAT, etc. have had success is because VS is way less skilled than they are) and you guys would be foolish to not replace it.

You guys have the developmental talent. You guys have the resources. You guys have the time if you keep riding JGA1's momentum for the 4 months it'd take to churn out something good. Why the hell didn't you do this 2 years ago.
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damien7777 is not online. damien7777
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
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26 Jun 2016 09:23 PM
vulcan itself isnt unfair

the only thing i dont like about it, is the fact all vs defenders already have all the op guns unlocked which makes it difficult

other than that its fine


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Frostaxius is not online. Frostaxius
Joined: 10 Sep 2011
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26 Jun 2016 09:24 PM
yeah all I would say is reset the weaponry + guns everytime you join

otherwise someone could be rlly op and its annoying


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Do1ogan is not online. Do1ogan
Joined: 26 Jul 2013
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26 Jun 2016 09:26 PM
You morons flame us and say that we should be removed but are now salty that we don't raid you.

Good game.
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victoria621 is not online. victoria621
Joined: 11 Oct 2008
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26 Jun 2016 09:27 PM
I mean I don't want to sound like I'm arguing so sorry if I came off like that. I was just pointing out was was fixed already.
I'm taking these suggestions seriously.

Vicky // VS General
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Do1ogan is not online. Do1ogan
Joined: 26 Jul 2013
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26 Jun 2016 09:27 PM
If you want to improve your clan in any way, you can start with your leader. And then worry about your fort.
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kingkendrick141 is not online. kingkendrick141
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26 Jun 2016 09:28 PM
and I agree with Do1
Lily is too concerned with game development to be a good leader. She hasn't set up a system of a HICOM which can sustain that kind of leader inactivity like with VAK or WIJ and it's just not effective.

But beyond that, seriously, replace your damn fort. There's no good reason to keep it. There's plenty of bad reasons ie; your devs are lazy but there's no good reason.
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victoria621 is not online. victoria621
Joined: 11 Oct 2008
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26 Jun 2016 09:31 PM
and King to clarify we don't have a lazy dev team or lazy HiCOM, we've been working hard the past few months.

Vulcan was completely revamped in the space of a few weeks, and a new training center will be released on the 1st of July I believe.
We're also experimenting more w/ databases at the moment, so them handling their own duties in VS plus extra development was a lot more than expected.
But then again, I don't want to sound like arguing. If that's your opinion it's your opinion.
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Do1ogan is not online. Do1ogan
Joined: 26 Jul 2013
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26 Jun 2016 09:38 PM
"..it's your opinion."

It's an opinion shared by the entire clan world. Besides VS of course... Oh wait your own High Ranks complain about Lily too..
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kingkendrick141 is not online. kingkendrick141
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26 Jun 2016 09:38 PM
but databases and a new training base are kinda backseat projects if your main base needs to be replaced.

I get where you're coming from and I was wrong to call your devs lazy but you're missing the point.

It's not about what you've done or what you're already doing, it's what you haven't done and what you haven't done is given a worn out, obsolete fort its leave(rather than revamp it to try to make it look better) and replaced it with something that will actually be able to keep up structurally and to clan world standards.
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Do1ogan is not online. Do1ogan
Joined: 26 Jul 2013
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26 Jun 2016 09:41 PM
"but databases and a new training base are kinda backseat projects if your main base needs to be replaced."

Also I'd love to know what these new facilities are going to achieve? Nothing absolutely nothing.
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victoria621 is not online. victoria621
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26 Jun 2016 09:51 PM
I mean I was asking for suggestions, not attacks do1ogan lmao.

Database will introduce a new promotional system with automated points that we plan to bring, as well as a ton of new other features (one relating to Vulcan w/ shop system), so that it will attract new players as well as encourage our current ones to be more active.

I get what you mean about the training center not being a priority, and I agree, but our current one is outdated and it would save us some time in the future.
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theonlyconner is not online. theonlyconner
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26 Jun 2016 09:54 PM
Vic we are friends
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kingkendrick141 is not online. kingkendrick141
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26 Jun 2016 11:08 PM
you still don't get it

nothing you do with a database or a new training base or any new system will matter whatsoever if y'all are still using the same base from 3 years ago.


Trust me, I'm a WIJ officer. I've seen it happen and we've found it out the hard way having tried both a new database and several new training bases. The only way WIJ is going to come back is if we release a new base, which we've found it and are now in the process of doing.

The only way VS will go anywhere again is if it replaces its eons old fort.

And no matter how much you add to Vulcan, how many times you revamp it, how many times you make minute changes, it won't matter. Because it's still the same fort, same layout, same concept as the original from 5 years ago. And that's unacceptable. So do yourself and VS a huuuuuuuuge favor and get started on something new that isn't a rehash of Vulcan.
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bluecheetah14 is not online. bluecheetah14
Joined: 18 Jan 2011
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26 Jun 2016 11:37 PM
Everyone complaining is just bad okay.


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5ancu is not online. 5ancu
Joined: 31 Dec 2015
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27 Jun 2016 11:26 AM
"Everyone complaining is just bad okay."

Commonly referred to as 'The VAK Argument'.

"No, these updates don't make SMO unfair, you're just bad! You beating us 18 times prior to the updates with ease, and struggling more and more with every update? Hmph, that's just us getting better, hahah! You're just mad because you're bad!"
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