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what in particular about vulcan is unfair

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victoria621 is not online. victoria621
Joined: 11 Oct 2008
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26 Jun 2016 08:26 PM
like tbh it seems pretty fair to me
we get tunnel access to s2 but so do you guys (there is a tunnel in the ground leading to s2)
you get the huey to climb up the s2 wall while we have to swordjump
and you get 3600s for raid timer with overtime

like generally asking a lot of people say it is unfair and i'd like to review it so whats up with Vulcan being unfair?
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Urvo is not online. Urvo
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26 Jun 2016 08:30 PM
you're going to say this because you're in VS
but idk i've never been there


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Moose_God is not online. Moose_God
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26 Jun 2016 08:30 PM
the fact that i don't win you as 'spoils of war'


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KornCobbler is not online. KornCobbler
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26 Jun 2016 08:30 PM
u avatar give me bone O_O
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espressos is not online. espressos
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26 Jun 2016 08:30 PM
You're asking us why its unfair? We've told you for years why every base in this current VS era is unfair and you all never listened or just argued agains it, everyone would be wasting their time posting reasons if it won't be taken into account.

Not to mention you shouldn't have to ask the forums when you know something must be wrong if you barely get raided.

but whatever.

Tried to hire a stylist, couldn't style me, cant keep me under control im rowdy.
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Seetho is not online. Seetho
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26 Jun 2016 08:30 PM
Why do people have unusual amounts of cash and they're like level 8 or something


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apple976 is not online. apple976
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26 Jun 2016 08:31 PM
all is fair in love and war
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lick is not online. lick
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26 Jun 2016 08:33 PM
you know there are rules countries follow in real war
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Chatted is not online. Chatted
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26 Jun 2016 08:36 PM
the fact you have to keep one person on the terminal the entire time and if you dont it rolls back.


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CommanderExalted is not online. CommanderExalted
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26 Jun 2016 08:37 PM
Walls are to easy to camp


-Commander Exalted
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Frostaxius is not online. Frostaxius
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26 Jun 2016 08:38 PM
I haven't raided there yet, so not sure. :/


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victoria621 is not online. victoria621
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26 Jun 2016 08:40 PM
@seetho
levels are based on kills so it encourages people to defend, and with the cash you get you can buy guns with it based on the level you have
I mean it doesn't also encourage people to defend but people to raid as well

@chatted
I mean I guess you have a point there but other than that there is no particular point of interest where it is really unfair.

Vulcan is definitely one of the more fair bases nowadays imo even, we've taken the advice to make it more fair (made hueys harder to reach so really it's actually impossible to get for both sides now, put in the tunnel for raiders, etc)
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victoria621 is not online. victoria621
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26 Jun 2016 08:40 PM
commander that's true the S2 wall is a major point but it isn't hard for raiders to take it over
I mean RAT raided today and had control of it most of the time
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victoria621 is not online. victoria621
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26 Jun 2016 08:42 PM
espressos

i'm asking because we're still getting raiders and then people saying it's unfair randomly pop up on forums

sorry if I am looking for some form of explanation so the High Command can have a discussion about it and to see if any changes need to be made.
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kingkendrick141 is not online. kingkendrick141
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26 Jun 2016 08:50 PM
The fact that the terminal rolls back if you don't constantly have someone on it?

That means you're constantly losing progress if you don't have at least one person there. It's not a system used by any other clan out there and it's not a fair system in any way. It might be "just one thing" but that "just one thing" makes the whole base unfair.

Besides that, the walls are easy for VS to access and camp(Don't deny that. You guys can cut through the side by your spawn and get to the walls within 20 seconds of spawning, twice as fast as raiders can, and you have more time in general to get people onto the walls before raiders get there.

and as for the raid timer, 1 hour is not long at all. It's a very snappy time in raid terms. Even the WIJ timer for when we go to war is twice as long and some would consider ours short.
Limiting a raid to 2 hours is pushing it, 1 hour is unfair.


We're not asking for a paved path to a win. But we do ask that you understand from a raider's POV how everything pans out and that something which might not seem like a huge disadvantage is in fact a huge disadvantage.


Beyond that it's an ancient beast and needs to be replaced. The layout is boring, archaic, and overall just not good. Come on, for a group that made its name in good tech and exciting gameplay, using an outdated, obsolete fort that has had 4 iterations of the same design really isn't that innovative.

But frankly it's not your fault. If lily passed on the group already you'd all be fine.
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kingkendrick141 is not online. kingkendrick141
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26 Jun 2016 08:52 PM
So in conclusion if you're discussing changes to your fort you should consider changing fort
to something that isn't trash by todays standards :-)
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victoria621 is not online. victoria621
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26 Jun 2016 09:07 PM
I mean forts are meant to give the defensive team the advantage if you weren't aware king. Sorry if that "one thing" bothers you but everything else is pretty fair.

The tunnel you are referring to is the one that raiders now have as well that leads them straight to the wall just as well. So it's irrelevant that we may beat them by 1-2 seconds because again, the base is meant to give the defensive team the advantage.

Vulcan may be viewed as ancient but it was recently updated with loads of new updates to make it more enjoyable - much better than previous versions in their prime even imo.

And Vulcan is definitely not considered trash by most lmao, if it is then maybe you can explain why we're probably one of the most defensively active clans out there?
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CommanderExalted is not online. CommanderExalted
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26 Jun 2016 09:09 PM
Why do you make a thread asking for suggestions, then argue against the suggestions?


-Commander Exalted
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Baron_BigHead is not online. Baron_BigHead
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26 Jun 2016 09:09 PM
tfw VS member asks why vulcan is unfair and calls their terminal system a personal problem and argues that their current fort is good


I'm so weak lmao no wonder VS has been dead for so long
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Apexian is not online. Apexian
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26 Jun 2016 09:10 PM
Having to have someone on the term that's about it.


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Moose_God is not online. Moose_God
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26 Jun 2016 09:10 PM
you failed to adress my concern proving I'm right
vs fort unfair


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victoria621 is not online. victoria621
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26 Jun 2016 09:12 PM
I mean commander i'm not they're just saying things that have been fixed already lol

I will bring up the standing on term one w/ the developers
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Shinedown204 is not online. Shinedown204
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26 Jun 2016 09:13 PM
Vulcan isn't unfair... RAT has raided it and won there several times, it's simple if you know how to hold down gate 2.
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5ancu is not online. 5ancu
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26 Jun 2016 09:14 PM
vulcan is pretty crap.

those sectors being unbreachable, had it not been for VS's unskilled members, because the only access to the other side is stacking or shooting a door with 3000 health for 30 seconds+ or however long it takes.

the weapons are unbalanced as well, basically causing you to need a high level to have any chance at all.

you don't even need to make an argument as to why it's a bad fort, it's pretty dang obvious.
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5ancu is not online. 5ancu
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26 Jun 2016 09:14 PM
"Vulcan isn't unfair... RAT has raided it and won there several times, it's simple if you know how to hold down gate 2."

Vulcan is unfair, VS just sucks. Literally.
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