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Re: Why Sierra is more difficult then it should be.

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zepenguin4 is not online. zepenguin4
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20 Jun 2016 07:08 AM
Yes, forts are designed to give raiders a challenge and raiders do have to have communication. However this fort is way over the line where it can be called "challenging" to the line where it is "overpowered".
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RAT spawns 30 seconds away from the terminal.
Raiders spawn 1 minute and 45 seconds away from the terminal.

This allows RAT to rush the terminal 3 times and be halfway on their third rush. Not to mention that they have a safe path to terminal due to this invisible wall made so that raiders below can't shoot at the RAT on the cliffs entering the terminal.
http://prntscr.com/bin7cu
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The bomb spawns extremely close to the RAT spawn and often not in an area of cover. This means that while we are trying to capture the bomb RAT can just spam click at the person capping bomb and murder them. RAT will often just not capture the bomb so that it won't reset and give raiders a better spawn. Not to mention that the 15 second forcefield RAT receives makes it impossible to stop them from rushing out and killing the person on the bomb.
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When we do actually get a good spawn and capture the bomb there is the problem of getting it to the terminal. Once we cap we will take it to the cliffs as rushing gate with the defender's forcefields is plain dumb. Problem is that cliff has no cover and RAT can simply spam shoot the bomb carrier from their spawn, even if they die.
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Not to mention the divisional perks. Division weapons and boosts are normally frowned a pon with major clans, power and super alike. However RAT does it anyways. FoL members get 200 extra Aurem and 40 aurem per kill (compared to the 20 aurem raiders get) HWS members get a discount on all guns in the shop and Medics get a free medi-gun which is extremely helpful at healing. With the perks they get it makes it hard for raiders to get kills on FoL to gain aurem to buy the guns defenders already have.
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They argue that the terminal is "easily campable". That is false for a number of reasons. It takes 4 seconds for RAT to rush into the room and get on the bomb, and they have 2 cliffs around that they can rush and use for cover in the room. The terminal itself has a slot that defenders can slide into that makes it close to impossible to kill them once they are in, giving them an easy cap. The slot can only be shot at if you are in the slot or you are in 1st person (which is annoying when you have another 7 defenders trying to kill everyone.)
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The oil rigs auto start in favor of RAT each raid. That is 20 aurem every 2 minutes. A boat costs 80 aurem, which is a high price. However once raiders cap it RAT can easily cap it back with the extra aurem they have from perks, or the aurem that they built up over time in the start of the raid.
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This thread was made due to my other thread getting mass reported by a certain group (guess who heh) when it got 6k views.

There is a different between giving raiders a challenging, and giving raiders little to no chance of winning.





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Kiritsugu is not online. Kiritsugu
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20 Jun 2016 07:08 AM
Yes hail Arcadia my dude.


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lebron_drainz is not online. lebron_drainz
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20 Jun 2016 07:10 AM
was this posted because you lost at sierra yesterday with your best raiders...?

do i detect SALT?


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lebron_drainz is not online. lebron_drainz
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20 Jun 2016 07:11 AM
so you talk smack about V O I D but even they could get 15 wins at Sierra without a problem lol


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zepenguin4 is not online. zepenguin4
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20 Jun 2016 07:12 AM
"was this posted because you lost at sierra yesterday with your best raiders...?"

It was a 8v12

And does this look like our dragoons?
http://prntscr.com/bini5u


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iceking1801 is not online. iceking1801
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20 Jun 2016 07:12 AM

Evidently hiding behind their base.
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aguaroNrooney is not online. aguaroNrooney
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20 Jun 2016 07:12 AM
^ probably
Salty FoA members(ze being the most notable one) always try and come up with ridiculous excuses to cover up
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aguaroNrooney is not online. aguaroNrooney
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20 Jun 2016 07:12 AM
inb4hefallsforb8
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xwis is not online. xwis
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20 Jun 2016 07:13 AM
my dude, first page
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Kiritsugu is not online. Kiritsugu
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20 Jun 2016 07:13 AM
wait zepen did you just admit to losing because you didn't have your dragoons? ey


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Seetho is not online. Seetho
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20 Jun 2016 07:13 AM
lebron is talking about another server
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iceking1801 is not online. iceking1801
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20 Jun 2016 07:14 AM

@Lebron - winning at a base does not mean that it is fair, I am pretty sure FoA has gained more wins at Sierra than RAT will EVER gain at SHII.
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lebron_drainz is not online. lebron_drainz
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20 Jun 2016 07:14 AM
SH2 is 8v12 we gave you an option of 8v12 or 8v14 and you took 8v12 lol


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nitroyoshi9 is not online. nitroyoshi9
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20 Jun 2016 07:14 AM
RAT is a smelly hamster
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lebron_drainz is not online. lebron_drainz
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20 Jun 2016 07:15 AM
i don't know how many wins that RAT has on SH2 but i know for a fact that foa has only won 3 or 4 raids on sierra lol


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nitroyoshi9 is not online. nitroyoshi9
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20 Jun 2016 07:15 AM
RAT smelly wink stink pink dink yink
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zepenguin4 is not online. zepenguin4
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20 Jun 2016 07:15 AM
no idea why you call it "falling for b8" just so you dont feel bad about me winning an argument ;/

anyways yah, i have reason to be salty unlike you where your salty to the point that you post "lol foa salty" on every foa thread


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aguaroNrooney is not online. aguaroNrooney
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20 Jun 2016 07:16 AM
It is true, because you guys always get salty over small little things especially bballer.
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zepenguin4 is not online. zepenguin4
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20 Jun 2016 07:17 AM
"wait zepen did you just admit to losing because you didn't have your dragoons? ey"

i was talking about how we didnt have our elites there in regarding to someone saying "lol you raided with your best"

we wanted to give regular foa members a feel for the base and i dont see anything with that


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iceking1801 is not online. iceking1801
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20 Jun 2016 07:17 AM

Not very suprised that they only managed to clinch 3 to 4 victories since RAT's recent exposure of dishonest play.
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PoIonium is not online. PoIonium
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20 Jun 2016 07:17 AM
It's a little hypocritical of anyone to go and taunt you after that Sierra raid yesterday since so many people have been salty after SHII.


As I've stated several times before, these wars shouldn't be about dominance, but fun. I personally disagree with making Sierra impossible, but at the same time leaving SHII in its current state. Bases shouldn't need to be insanely challenging to give yourself the edge to win a war. I think a war of repeated back and forth offensives against both groups would be more fun for everyone in comparison to a meaningless warscore and weeks of negotiation.
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aguaroNrooney is not online. aguaroNrooney
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20 Jun 2016 07:17 AM
And that was quite clearly bait, there can be no argument over how salty FoA members are in general. It simply is the truth
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lebron_drainz is not online. lebron_drainz
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20 Jun 2016 07:18 AM
that's not the server i'm talking about

i was talking about the one with:

chalst
briz
malvus
sovrn
2uo
isodore
paul321321
undefined_meme
lordmiltonious

and a few others


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zepenguin4 is not online. zepenguin4
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20 Jun 2016 07:19 AM
"i don't know how many wins that RAT has on SH2 but i know for a fact that foa has only won 3 or 4 raids on sierra lol"

we have an album of 10 wins on sierra ;/

this is not including the wins from before rat declared war on uaf


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lebron_drainz is not online. lebron_drainz
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20 Jun 2016 07:20 AM
pm me the album


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