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Re: ...Does ROBLOX actually steal hat models?

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MrSquer is not online. MrSquer
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18 Jun 2016 06:09 PM
https://twitter.com/MrSquerAnim/status/744305679960178688

ROBLOX went against their own Terms and Conditions. Good thing they added "except as permitted by the functionality of this site".
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Zleezy is online. Zleezy
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18 Jun 2016 06:11 PM
Roblox has been exposed


Too weird for your tastes?
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contraptionist is not online. contraptionist
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18 Jun 2016 06:12 PM
shots fired
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18 Jun 2016 06:15 PM
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MrSquer is not online. MrSquer
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18 Jun 2016 06:16 PM
credit to IdentityShift (@IdentityShift1) for finding this
credit to me for actually reading the damn terms n conditions
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helephant94 is online. helephant94
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18 Jun 2016 06:18 PM
roblox PLS



Paperclip.
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IdentityShift is not online. IdentityShift
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18 Jun 2016 06:19 PM
;) Makes you wonder what else they copied..


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digitalMaster34 is not online. digitalMaster34
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18 Jun 2016 06:20 PM
and notice how none of the forum mods respond to this thread
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r+://424994211r+://424994395r+://424994518r+://424994518r+://121517674
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Litemare is not online. Litemare
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18 Jun 2016 06:23 PM
"and notice how none of the forum mods respond to this thread"

mods don't have any involvement in hat development though
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Spirographic is not online. Spirographic
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18 Jun 2016 06:23 PM
Looking at the individual vertices from afar, I can attest that the mesh, despite having been reshaped, is exactly the same.

That would explain the weird texture seams across the item as well, since when you force down the resoultion of a texture in 3D, you might get points that don't work properly.

All that was changed was the texture resolution and a bit of warping on the vertices to fit over the ROBLOXian head mesh. Even the UVs were left untouched.

Yep, this isn't a simple look alike. This is definitely a copy, and a poor one at that. Welp, this sure gives me mixed feelings toward my old favorite admin.
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MrSquer is not online. MrSquer
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18 Jun 2016 06:24 PM
@Spiro also notice how they squashed it to fit robloxians' heads IAWUEHROUWAHER
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Spirographic is not online. Spirographic
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18 Jun 2016 06:26 PM
Also, if anyone's wondering why certain details like the fact that the horns are screwed in or the carvings on the mask in the original mesh are missing in the ROBLOX version, it's because all that detailing isn't touched in the texture. It all looks like effects that can be accomplished via normal mapping, which isn't used in ROBLOX.

This also explains why the ROBLOX version has very few visible screws and no hinges. That was all baked into the normal map, not the diffuse.
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TechMario64 is not online. TechMario64
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18 Jun 2016 06:28 PM
oh damn


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MrSquer is not online. MrSquer
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18 Jun 2016 06:29 PM
let's make this thread famous before mods can reply properly :D
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Syntaxical is not online. Syntaxical
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18 Jun 2016 06:31 PM
WHAT!?


your in my basement and you can't get out oh hey look a pc go use that | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW7C7-gxy1g
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18 Jun 2016 06:31 PM
it honestly doesn't surprise me
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18 Jun 2016 06:33 PM
woah


COMMUNITY_DISCOURSE | https://www.roblox.com/Cave-Story-Theme-Song-Cave-Story-item?id=383237778
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Spirographic is not online. Spirographic
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18 Jun 2016 06:35 PM
I'm skimming through the royalty free use license on TurboSquid.

Nothing conclusive yet, but paragraph 7-d of the license agreement looks pretty bad for ROBLOX right now, especially since R$ have monetary value now.

Also, consider paragraph 7-c, detailing that common file formats should not be used for dealing with royalty free items from TurboSquid, however, if I recall correctly, ROBLOX uses, or used to use the obj format for display and storage of models on their site.

This is not looking good.
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MrSquer is not online. MrSquer
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18 Jun 2016 06:38 PM
David Baszucki could literally go to court for this!?!?
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MrSquer is not online. MrSquer
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18 Jun 2016 06:43 PM
I'm saving archives of this post on my hard drive as HTML files. The folder is named "Let's Sue ROBLOX (Ep. 1)™"
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Spirographic is not online. Spirographic
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18 Jun 2016 06:43 PM
Important excerpt from section 10-F.
"You may NOT misrepresent yourself as the creator of Stock Media Products."

This is under the "unauthorized use" section of TurboSquid's license.

This would normally not be a big deal, but money has been exchanged over this item in the community since it became limited, and ROBLOX could conceivably have made a profit off of unauthorized use of this asset.

The material breach part of the license basically says that TurboSquid is now within their rights to pursue ROBLOX for this, over "damages".



Now, I am not a lawyer. I cannot state anything conclusively, but the way I see it, ROBLOX's best option right now is to remove the item from trade, ask TurboSquid their charge for damages and pay up.
However, this is not officially legal advice, as I am not a lawyer or attorney of any kind. This is simply what a layman has managed to glean from this situation.
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IdentityShift is not online. IdentityShift
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18 Jun 2016 06:45 PM
"Now, I am not a lawyer."

tell me why


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MrSquer is not online. MrSquer
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18 Jun 2016 06:49 PM
THERE ARE MULTIPLE ASSETS

SHIFT IS LOOKING FOR THEM RIGHT NOW, WE WERE IN A SKYPE CALL A WHILE AGO AND HE FOUND A TON OF THEM

THIS IS A HUGE DEAL, IT'S NOT JUST THE ONE I LISTED
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Spirographic is not online. Spirographic
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18 Jun 2016 06:57 PM
@Identity
Well, the primary reason I felt need to state that in my post is because I do not want to incur any accidental attorney-client relationship and the liabilities that go along with that.
Me stating that this is not legal advice and that I am not a lawyer is a way of dodging any accidental responsibility which may be implied in my statement. There's a reason most actual lawyers use a similar tactic.

The other reason is because I don't want to give any false impressions. Despite being able to read legal mumbo-jumbo, I am not officially trained as an attorney in any capacity. I do not want anyone to think that I am.



My posts in this thread are not legal advice. They are not words coming from a lawyer or attorney. Do not trust my information without research of your own or legal council of your own. This is simply what a layperson has managed to find by reading some surface-level documentation.
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18 Jun 2016 06:58 PM
omy
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