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Re: Illumina VS darkheart thread

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ServantVitya is not online. ServantVitya
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05 Jun 2016 01:04 PM
darkheart:
touch damage: 20 <--good
slash damage: 16 <--bad
lunge damage: 32

darkheart healing:
hum.Health = hum.Health + (damage * .4)

illumina:
touch damage: 10
slash damage: 20
lunge damage: 40

has super jump on lunge but most noobs can't use it properly

an illumina nerd would have to dodge some attacks to make sure the darkheart nerd doesnt heal if he doesn't then the darkheart nerd has more chances to win because its like he has more health

an illumina nerd can't always do surprise attacks so that argument is invalid most of the time even if he superjumps mid-battle any pro player would know to get away from it asap or move their camera in a way that shows them where they're gonna land

praise sf-a2 miki

a darkheart nerd would have to dodge hits too but going straight for the kill would be easier because of heals. works amazing with armor.

bonus: did you ever consider throwing your linkedsword at someone who is about to fight you so they pick it up and switch to it instead of whatever sword they were using?


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RaptorX97 is not online. RaptorX97
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05 Jun 2016 01:06 PM
"did you ever consider throwing your linkedsword at someone who is about to fight you so they pick it up and switch to it instead of whatever sword they were using?"

I need to try that


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Markilo is not online. Markilo
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05 Jun 2016 01:07 PM
dh

just strafe and be more agile, backslash em'
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ShadowOblivionX is not online. ShadowOblivionX
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05 Jun 2016 01:07 PM
i use darkheart because it's cool when u kill someone they like turn all black and poisoned
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Slamdunks is not online. Slamdunks
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05 Jun 2016 01:08 PM
The illumina's damage is insane, but the thing about darkheart is that it doesn't do as much damage, but absorbs the enemies health to make up for the slight damage difference.

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GuestIy is not online. GuestIy
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05 Jun 2016 01:08 PM
Illumina is objectively stronger :^)

#justguestlythings
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ServantVitya is not online. ServantVitya
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05 Jun 2016 01:08 PM
i don't like how everyone brings up the dodge and backslash argument cause every sword can do that so it doesn't really add anything to this discussion


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GuestIy is not online. GuestIy
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05 Jun 2016 01:17 PM
I suppose I didn't even go into the reasoning in that post

So, Vitya already presented out the damage. The superjump is something that CANNOT be statistically represented, and even what I am about to do here is doing something that is at least somewhat respresentable, but it is no where near the super jump's full power. So, let's assume that we'll take all 6 limbs being struck whenever someone lunges at us. So, for Darkheart, that is 192 damage. With Illumina, that is 240. While I don't agree that this is accurate and fair (as higher damage strikes first) we can transfer the heal as damage, making Darkheart's damage equal. Now, to do the poor representation of the superjump, let's say we just RIGHT when we lunge at them. Now, they'll hit two limbs, both legs, instead of all. This makes Darkheart's total damage in this scenario 80 in compare to Illumina's 240. Both swords charged. Both used their special abilities. This isn't even accounting for the fact that higher damage (Illumina) strikes first, thus it will likely kill the Darkheart before they even have a chance to attack. Again, super jump has crazy utility with how it can transport you into higher areas, allow you do quite literally dance around your opponents as LONG AS YOU NEED until you can get a strike that will, do due Illumina's ridiculous damage, instantly kill the Darkheart user without taking any damage yourself. It also allows for mobility boosts as well. But, the combination between this and the HIGHEST DAMAGE in SFotH is far too deadly to lose. I NEVER fight Illuminas fairly in SFotH because of how deadly they are. One slash or lunge and you're gone. Always medkit trap them or hit them with a Windforce as they are coming down from the ramps, but even that can result in an easy death. Illumina is definitely the highest skill cap sword BY FAR, however I definitely wouldn't say it has the highest skill floor (Ghostwalker would be that). Once it is mastered you can destroy almost any combination of swords and take on several opponents all at once. It's a ridiculously strong sword and, even though it is just a ROBLOX sword, it's really, truly, beautiful.

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GuestIy is not online. GuestIy
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05 Jun 2016 01:21 PM
Oh, I just saw this part in the OP too

"a darkheart nerd would have to dodge hits too but going straight for the kill would be easier because of heals. works amazing with armor."

Going for the kill is definitely the best tactic on Darkheart, but as I said in my latter post with how "highest damage strikes first" it is (one of the things) that allows for both Illumina and Windforce to work as counters to Darkheart - they will strike first and they WILL kill the Darkheart user. If the Illumina user charges when the Darkheart user charges, even if they don't do the super jump when lunging as I said in my last post, as I said due to muh higher damage, they'll devastate the Darkheart. Any FAIR battle VS Illumina will always be an uphill battle. All they need is that one opening, hell, they can just charge you for a slightly less safe but normally equivalent result, and they have the tools to delay a fight UNTIL they get that opening.

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ServantVitya is not online. ServantVitya
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05 Jun 2016 01:23 PM
darkheart can jump too
most of the time you don't hit all limbs
especially if you jump right after the lunge
you may be moving in height but your walkspeed is still the same i can predict where you'll land if i zoom out
you can't hit both arms at the same time when fighting mouselockers
you WILL take damage when fighting



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Palypo is not online. Palypo
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05 Jun 2016 01:23 PM
*CRASHES INTO WORDWALL*
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ServantVitya is not online. ServantVitya
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05 Jun 2016 01:24 PM
it would be nice if you striked first, but that's not always going to be the case. illumina will not necessarily strike first or kill the darkheart user.


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ServantVitya is not online. ServantVitya
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05 Jun 2016 01:24 PM
palypo what a quality poster you are palypo for mod the standart for being one has just been lowered btw


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05 Jun 2016 01:26 PM
you lowered the posting standards by posting 500 a day so don't criticize me
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jumpykilldestroy is not online. jumpykilldestroy
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05 Jun 2016 01:27 PM
darkheart is better because it heals and illumina is for tryhard noobs


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ServantVitya is not online. ServantVitya
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05 Jun 2016 01:27 PM
reported


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ServantVitya is not online. ServantVitya
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05 Jun 2016 01:27 PM
darkheart is better because it heals and illumina is for tryhard noobs [2]




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ServantVitya is not online. ServantVitya
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05 Jun 2016 01:28 PM
keep in mind that a full hit on 6 body parts like you said, but with darkheart, while lunging, heals 60 health.


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superfbi is not online. superfbi
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05 Jun 2016 01:28 PM
Linked sword.

Cause i'm awesome.

*insert low quality editing and explosions*

B')
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GuestIy is not online. GuestIy
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05 Jun 2016 01:28 PM
"darkheart can jump too"
Superjump gets you higher, though. High enough to where you can actually dodge a balefire (which is why Illumina is actually effective in modern gear wars - it can dodge straight above SoS and can do it quick enough).
"most of the time you don't hit all limbs"
On the thread with appie I explained this assumption and the reason I use it. You were there so I don't think anymore than a reminder of what I said was all that necessary.
"especially if you jump right after the lunge"
Curve it. What I always do when I lunge is do an ~140 degrees spin so I CAN hit all limbs, I do the passing damage of lunging upwards as well as spinning through the enemy. I've done 1k+ damage instantly with this on Illumina.
"you may be moving in height but your walkspeed is still the same i can predict where you'll land if i zoom out"
The point was that it will instantly kill the Darkheart user. Even if you do predict it, the tilted camera, believe me, is a great distraction and if they super jump enough they'll be able to see, based on your movements, when you are confused, even slightly, and be able to jump on that and kill you then.
"you can't hit both arms at the same time when fighting mouselockers"
Like I said, to a quick spin and it will get all limbs. Head too, with the superjump.
"you WILL take damage when fighting"
Plenty of times with Illumina you kill them before even taking damage. Whenever I go to catalog heaven or SFotH I often just charge into Darkhearts simply because I like seeing this happen. So long as they have responsive internet (absolutely NO damage taken after they are dead) you'll likely only take 32 at the very max. Often, however, as I've been saying, you won't. Even in the theoretical scenario I laid out that DID account for damage being taken, it was 80 vs 240.

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1dop2 is not online. 1dop2
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05 Jun 2016 01:29 PM
darkheart is better because it heals and illumina is for tryhard noobs [3]
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GuestIy is not online. GuestIy
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05 Jun 2016 01:30 PM
"it would be nice if you striked first, but that's not always going to be the case. illumina will not necessarily strike first or kill the darkheart user"
I explained why that happens. Obviously if you get surprise attacked, that will be different. But the situation is showing OBJECTIVELY why Illumina is better, thus it used the scenario of a pure charge.
"keep in mind that a full hit on 6 body parts like you said, but with darkheart, while lunging, heals 60 health."

It will get out damaged by Illumina.

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ServantVitya is not online. ServantVitya
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05 Jun 2016 01:30 PM
"Superjump gets you higher, though."

you missed the point i mean darkheart can jump at the same time you do to get move hits on you

"a quick spin" means i get to hit all of your limbs as well

"Plenty of times with Illumina you kill them before even taking damage" yeah because you're fighting noobs try using it against clannies and see how it goes


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Invictium is not online. Invictium
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05 Jun 2016 01:32 PM
gw > both of these sorry
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ServantVitya is not online. ServantVitya
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05 Jun 2016 01:32 PM
if you're gonna do it objectively then nobody starts first and no one does surprise attacks they both start from the same place in the same circumstances illumina sucks explain yourself

"It will get out damaged by Illumina."

no because you're spinning and jumping so i can get more hits on you and heal myself as well


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