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Re: "Roadhog isn't viable in Overwatch high level play" - Altair

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Bubsv is not online. Bubsv
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29 May 2016 11:30 PM
literally every single match has had one in overwatch arena thus far


you're hella smart dude
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SlayerJones is not online. SlayerJones
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29 May 2016 11:32 PM
Hasn't Overwatch been out for like 2 weeks, people are probably still working out what's good or not


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Bubsv is not online. Bubsv
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29 May 2016 11:34 PM
it launched officially last tuesday but the esports scene has been developing since closed beta


all the teams have players that have been playing nonstop for months


but even then you're correct there's still a lot of development in team comps and strats for each map going on, which is why altair acting like he was a professional analyst was such a joke
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mooliop is not online. mooliop
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29 May 2016 11:34 PM
theoretically anyone can fit in to a comp
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Bubsv is not online. Bubsv
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29 May 2016 11:37 PM
that's what i tried explaining mool, but according to altair anyone who plays torborjn, zen, roadhog, or bastion is just a total troll since they're terrible heroes



every game ive watched thus far has people switching heroes constantly, including many bastions and roadhogs with a few zens as well
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mooliop is not online. mooliop
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29 May 2016 11:39 PM
torb is legit one of the best defense payload heroes man, and zen paired with another support can provide so much extra dmg and heals.

crazy
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Morikiyo is not online. Morikiyo
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29 May 2016 11:46 PM
have a team all playing torbjorn on payload


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Bubsv is not online. Bubsv
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29 May 2016 11:48 PM
yeah but the problem with torb it seems so far is that since his turret is static, it can be flanked and sniped pretty quickly when the enemy is so organized


i agree he's strong and his ulti can mean the difference on defense, but it doesn't look like any pro teams have incorporated him yet
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mooliop is not online. mooliop
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29 May 2016 11:50 PM
i usually use his turret to watch flanks, and not really be a central piece of the defence. just spam shots at corners and shotgun people who get too close
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Imperiatus is not online. Imperiatus
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29 May 2016 11:53 PM
source
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Imperiatus is not online. Imperiatus
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29 May 2016 11:55 PM
"Hasn't Overwatch been out for like 2 weeks, people are probably still working out what's good or not"

hero usage stats have been tracked since february but bubs is delusion and ignores the 3 months of roadhdog being a bottom of the barrel hero along with torbjorn bastion mei and post-nerf zenyatta
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Bubsv is not online. Bubsv
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29 May 2016 11:55 PM
tune into esports arena on twitch right now imp and just watch, the team comps change constantly


however he was definitely right about mccree, every team has at least 1 or 2 on defense and offense lmao
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Bubsv is not online. Bubsv
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29 May 2016 11:58 PM
stats can be misleading, especially at such an early stage

this is the first official lan for the full release game, and so far roadhogg and bastion have been in most games


mei torb and zen have definitely been on the backend though
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Imperiatus is not online. Imperiatus
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29 May 2016 11:58 PM
i'm altair and i'm also watching it right now and was watching it all day. if there was a roadhog it was for a fraction of the game to counter a pharah. roadhog is basically exclusively a counterpick like reaper is
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boxcutta is not online. boxcutta
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29 May 2016 11:58 PM
just enjoy the game Holmes.
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Bubsv is not online. Bubsv
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29 May 2016 11:59 PM
roadhogg was just on gale force and there was no pharah on liquid


they did just rotate after the first leg though
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GrannyFELOOx is not online. GrannyFELOOx
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30 May 2016 12:00 AM
he's good if you like to feed ultimates
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Imperiatus is not online. Imperiatus
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30 May 2016 12:00 AM
i'm watching it right now lol and if there was a roadhog it was for the 30 seconds where i wasn't watching which is basically what i said. you don't take roadhog to fill a tank or bruiser slot, because if you're not counterpicking or running a really specific strat to set him up to get easy kills he's just free ult charge for mccree
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Imperiatus is not online. Imperiatus
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30 May 2016 12:01 AM
"he's good if you like to feed ultimates"

exactly this
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Bubsv is not online. Bubsv
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30 May 2016 12:05 AM
im not saying he's the greatest hero and should be in every game, i agree he's specifc just like every hero should be (but isnt right now)


point is you were on this big rant about how "pros have such good positioning you cant hook anyone hurr duurr" when that clearly isnt the case. if they spent the entire game hiding behind their tank they'd never get anything done, and the roadhog can move as well believe it or not
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Imperiatus is not online. Imperiatus
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30 May 2016 12:18 AM
if roadhog was as viable as you think he is maybe he'd be played for more than 30 seconds a match and in more than 5% of matches since february lol
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Bubsv is not online. Bubsv
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30 May 2016 01:44 AM
yes keep clinging to closed beta statistics when the full game is actually here now and contradicting those stats with evolving strats and team comps


your rant about player positioning and the complete overestimation of how you seem to think just because someone is a pro they can literally never be anywhere besides behind their tank is enough for me to disregard your pro analaysis
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Imperiatus is not online. Imperiatus
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30 May 2016 01:47 AM
and the fact that you think the game is in a different state than it's been in for the past few months is enough for me to disregard your posts claiming you know anything about balance. you're continuously ignoring facts, and you've only been playing for a week or two if that. not enough anecdotal experience to have an argument at all especially when you don't have any statistics to back up your claims
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Imperiatus is not online. Imperiatus
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30 May 2016 01:49 AM
also what is your rebuttal to the fact that roadhog is just an ult charge generator in the current meta? the vast majority of games will see reinhardt/lucio/mercy/2x mccree/widowmaker or 2x winston/lucio/mercy/flex. there is literally no situation where roadhog thrives or should be picked over another tank or bruiser character
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Bubsv is not online. Bubsv
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30 May 2016 02:05 AM
we're not talking about balance we're talking about viability.

if we're talking about balance, mccree is overplayed. instead of potentially breaking him they should just limit it to one of the same hero per team to allow for a wider range of comps


and if you claim mercy and lucio are too common, remember that there's only 4 support heroes in the game so far and only 3 of them actually heal. now make theirs a critical role and tada of course there's always at least one of them
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