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| 13 May 2016 02:33 PM |
Better yet, why is he attempting to lie about the Sierra guns being like that for only right now? Multiple clans have already had their suspicions in the past, its not like this problem only came up right now.
If he was truly sorry, he wouldn't have blamed other clans for his actions.
This is similar to how he scapegoated Beastyboy after betraying UAF in December and claimed RAT never talked about warring UAF while they were still Allies (Yet that was proven wrong as well). Why should we honestly believe him when he has been cheating for months, even years, now?
These guns are NOT the only issue that RAT has. Their base features are also examples of foul play, and let's not forget that they happen to decline wars or run away from opponents that they know they would lose to.
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| 13 May 2016 02:33 PM |
| the same reason JC randomly kicks. |
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| 13 May 2016 02:34 PM |
so this reminds me of something i forgot to do
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while clans of the past did have more advantages per say, these advantages were countered by other parts of the base.
for example, perhaps a group would spawn further up and get more cover or something, however, this was countered by higher server limits with low defender counts. while rat has a good server limit (30), their defender count is a bit high (but 8 is still reasonable)
celeste runs into a problem though when you begin to look at the closer spawn, the use of medkits, the 3 shot pistols, and the server limit. server limits, while i dont agree with them being in any fort, are okay to deal with normally. however, the use of the server limit is different in rat's case. at sierra, the server limit only allows a total of x amount of raiders, meaning even if a raider leaves, a different raider cannot enter because the total raiders for the server had already been met.
in regards to celeste and server size, it is capped at 22 players to ensure no issues in getting a server official, however, this system is abused by rat. rat portrays themselves as a large superclan that is hospitable to anyone, ranging from clan veterans to new recruits. yet at their fort, they essentially deny the right to defend to newer and even average members. rather than shouting for defenses, they simply get their best to defend and don't even bother shouting. this is problematic for a clan that envisions and depicts themselves as a clan that accepts all. each member should have a chance to defend, not the elites or socially connected
furthermore, its really just absurd to have weapons that are that powerful to only be restricted to rat members (in which case a certain rank within rat get it when they spawn). weapons in the past may have had some more damage or stuff, but generally these weapons were accessible to everyone in some way. for example, in fort fang, while more jc tended to have the vips, every member within the fort was able to access these weapons at various shops, thus allowing it to offset the vips
keep in mind, these weapons do really high damage to the point where its embarrassing for rat to even lose a server (im not trying to bash about a clan winning or losing, but thats just the absurdity of such a gun). ontop of these guns, rat uses "blacklists" to target individuals they deem a threat and ban them from their fort. blacklists are meant to bar people from joining the group, they should have no influence over the ban list of the fort unless it is an exploiter. rat uses this blacklist to ban people from the fort who havent broken one rule at the fort, using the excuse that "well that person should have known!"
additionally, rat members on the forums (before rat even declared war on uaf) had a sense of high tensions with foa members, and this was seen when rat members would boast about celeste defensive wins and foa not being able to win (and vice versa).
clans that are as large as rat and have the potential to be influential over the clan world should not squander that opportunity by progressing the very attitude that helped destroy clans. the fact that rat openly admits and justifies their use of unfair 3 shot guns is absurd, and they are not acting as a proper role model for other clans and the community. just as this attitude was advanced in the past, we cannot allow such an attitude and actions continue
keep in mind this is disregarding their actions such as denying wars, using the ally tab to hide from enemies that could beat them, and various other things
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| 13 May 2016 02:34 PM |
Stop being so obsessed, he apologised and made amends. All that matters now is that he DID update Sierra and is attempting to clear the air.
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| 13 May 2016 02:36 PM |
| @slide: jc does not randomly kick |
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| 13 May 2016 02:36 PM |
he says in later replies that it didn't justify it or make it good but it was his reasoning at the time
he straight up says hes wrong and it was all him so idk how you can construe that unless you just have it out for him and want to find a way to condemn him |
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| 13 May 2016 02:37 PM |
"Stop being so obsessed, he apologised and made amends."
He apologized by blaming other clans for his actions? Oh please, if he was truly sorry he would not have flamed the other clans.
"All that matters now is that he DID update Sierra and is attempting to clear the air."
Except RAT's guns have been like this for months, maybe even years. FoA is NOT the first clan to bring up this issue, so why should we suddenly just accept the fact that RAT has been pulling these tactics for quite some time now?
Not only that, if he was truly sorry about dirty tactics and foul play, he would have apologized and reverted other cheating aspects of RAT and his base, which he hasn't done. |
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| 13 May 2016 02:39 PM |
"he straight up says hes wrong and it was all him"
Again, if he was truly sorry for his actions, he wouldn't have blatantly accused other clans of cheating in the thread. He literally spent the time to insert screenshots into it.
Additionally, the guns are NOT the only issue that RAT has in terms of cheating. If you look at Devin's post (Which is actually what I posted a while back), you can see other things that RAT has done which Poly has not fixed or even addressed.
If he was truly sorry about cheating and foul play, he would be fixing those things as well. |
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| 13 May 2016 02:39 PM |
| Yeah, it's your post. I'll formulate a good response to it in a bit because I'm interested in sorting out the disagreements in the details of our very similar clan-related perspectives. |
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| 13 May 2016 02:40 PM |
"keep in mind this is disregarding their actions such as denying wars, using the ally tab to hide from enemies that could beat them, and various other things"
> using the ally tab to hide from enemies that could beat them
elaborate, please...? |
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| 13 May 2016 02:42 PM |
| he allies clans that he's scared of sancu, best example being frost clan |
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| 13 May 2016 02:45 PM |
"> using the ally tab to hide from enemies that could beat them
elaborate, please...?"
After the glorious FC forces declared war on RAT and occupied their unfair fort (Sierra), we stopped raiding after a certain point to let RAT host their own stuff again and sort stuff out. We entered into negotiations and, essentially, RAT ended up declining our war by refusing to negotiate.
After negotiations could not be completed due to RAT not willing to negotiate (At the same time, an allied clan leader of RAT (Paul) was telling them to decline).
Then, RAT ended up allying FC to ensure that they would never have to fight us again. They did so by becoming friends with certain FCC HRs.
Now, fast forward to the present time and look back to when RAT was flaming UAF for using their Allies against them. I made this statement because multiple RAT members were saying that RAT didn't hide behind an ally like UAF did, so I had to remind them that RAT used the ally tab to hide from enemies that could beat them (Such as FC). |
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| 13 May 2016 02:51 PM |
I agree.
FC, declare war on RAT!
Death to RAT
PRO PATRIA
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| 13 May 2016 02:52 PM |
"> using the ally tab to hide from enemies that could beat them
elaborate, please...?"
After the glorious FC forces declared war on RAT and occupied their unfair fort (Sierra), we stopped raiding after a certain point to let RAT host their own stuff again and sort stuff out. We entered into negotiations and, essentially, RAT ended up declining our war by refusing to negotiate.
After negotiations could not be completed due to RAT not willing to negotiate (At the same time, an allied clan leader of RAT (Paul) was telling them to decline).
Then, RAT ended up allying FC to ensure that they would never have to fight us again. They did so by becoming friends with certain FCC HRs.
Now, fast forward to the present time and look back to when RAT was flaming UAF for using their Allies against them. I made this statement because multiple RAT members were saying that RAT didn't hide behind an ally like UAF did, so I had to remind them that RAT used the ally tab to hide from enemies that could beat them (Such as FC). "> using the ally tab to hide from enemies that could beat them
elaborate, please...?"
After the glorious FC forces declared war on RAT and occupied their unfair fort (Sierra), we stopped raiding after a certain point to let RAT host their own stuff again and sort stuff out. We entered into negotiations and, essentially, RAT ended up declining our war by refusing to negotiate.
After negotiations could not be completed due to RAT not willing to negotiate (At the same time, an allied clan leader of RAT (Paul) was telling them to decline).
Then, RAT ended up allying FC to ensure that they would never have to fight us again. They did so by becoming friends with certain FCC HRs.
Now, fast forward to the present time and look back to when RAT was flaming UAF for using their Allies against them. I made this statement because multiple RAT members were saying that RAT didn't hide behind an ally like UAF did, so I had to remind them that RAT used the ally tab to hide from enemies that could beat them (Such as FC). "> using the ally tab to hide from enemies that could beat them
elaborate, please...?"
After the glorious FC forces declared war on RAT and occupied their unfair fort (Sierra), we stopped raiding after a certain point to let RAT host their own stuff again and sort stuff out. We entered into negotiations and, essentially, RAT ended up declining our war by refusing to negotiate.
After negotiations could not be completed due to RAT not willing to negotiate (At the same time, an allied clan leader of RAT (Paul) was telling them to decline).
Then, RAT ended up allying FC to ensure that they would never have to fight us again. They did so by becoming friends with certain FCC HRs.
Now, fast forward to the present time and look back to when RAT was flaming UAF for using their Allies against them. I made this statement because multiple RAT members were saying that RAT didn't hide behind an ally like UAF did, so I had to remind them that RAT used the ally tab to hide from enemies that could beat them (Such as FC). "> using the ally tab to hide from enemies that could beat them
elaborate, please...?"
After the glorious FC forces declared war on RAT and occupied their unfair fort (Sierra), we stopped raiding after a certain point to let RAT host their own stuff again and sort stuff out. We entered into negotiations and, essentially, RAT ended up declining our war by refusing to negotiate.
After negotiations could not be completed due to RAT not willing to negotiate (At the same time, an allied clan leader of RAT (Paul) was telling them to decline).
Then, RAT ended up allying FC to ensure that they would never have to fight us again. They did so by becoming friends with certain FCC HRs.
Now, fast forward to the present time and look back to when RAT was flaming UAF for using their Allies against them. I made this statement because multiple RAT members were saying that RAT didn't hide behind an ally like UAF did, so I had to remind them that RAT used the ally tab to hide from enemies that could beat them (Such as FC). "> using the ally tab to hide from enemies that could beat them
elaborate, please...?"
After the glorious FC forces declared war on RAT and occupied their unfair fort (Sierra), we stopped raiding after a certain point to let RAT host their own stuff again and sort stuff out. We entered into negotiations and, essentially, RAT ended up declining our war by refusing to negotiate.
After negotiations could not be completed due to RAT not willing to negotiate (At the same time, an allied clan leader of RAT (Paul) was telling them to decline).
Then, RAT ended up allying FC to ensure that they would never have to fight us again. They did so by becoming friends with certain FCC HRs.
Now, fast forward to the present time and look back to when RAT was flaming UAF for using their Allies against them. I made this statement because multiple RAT members were saying that RAT didn't hide behind an ally like UAF did, so I had to remind them that RAT used the ally tab to hide from enemies that could beat them (Such as FC).
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| 13 May 2016 02:54 PM |
I'm not sure why you feel the need to constantly criticize everything I do.
As I've already responded to your post on the thread, the point of the thread was not to say "LOL UAF CHEATED TOO!!!".
Maybe if you didn't bother reading the entire thing you'd arise to that conclusion.
The only reason I mentioned it was because that's how I initially rationalized myself, though now I realize that rather than having entertained a cycle of foul play I should've opted out of it instead of doing what I did at Sierra. It was in no way fair to those that had no involvement in what was going on. It was out of place to do.
If you could read the rest of the forum this thread wouldn't have had to be made. |
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| 13 May 2016 02:54 PM |
"I agree.
FC, declare war on RAT!"
FC would but it'd probably be met with RAT denying our war again. Not to mention the rest of the cheating that RAT does. |
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| 13 May 2016 02:56 PM |
@Poly I did read the rest of the thread and I saw your attempt to have the public sympathize with you. Rather than flat out apologizing, you linked your actions with the accusations you levied upon other clans in an attempt to ease some of the pressure off of RAT's cheating.
If you were truly sorry about this so-called cycle of abuse and meant it, you would address and fix the rest of the cheating tactics that RAT has done. Instead, you only addressed one issue, an issue which you had been publicly called out on.
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| 13 May 2016 03:00 PM |
| I've responded to your comments on my thread. |
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| 13 May 2016 03:02 PM |
death to frostia
death to the false grand admiral...
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