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Re: UAF or RAT - which is the cancerous group?

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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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ExaltedArchitect is not online. ExaltedArchitect
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06 May 2016 02:09 PM
Neither. Both groups are good in my book.
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beastyboy1029 is not online. beastyboy1029
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06 May 2016 02:10 PM
RI


Dang girl, where you learn to Wobby Woo?
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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06 May 2016 02:11 PM
Ah yes, RI is indeed a major problem to this community.


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lmitater is not online. lmitater
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06 May 2016 02:11 PM
lets just say the group has an A in the abbreviation
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06 May 2016 02:13 PM
kappa
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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06 May 2016 02:16 PM
Erm...WB? While I believe your post was mildly insightful, you've missed several key points about the current situation and are lacking a great deal of information with respect to why people are accusing RAT of being "cancerous" or "dishonorable".

They extend far beyond the group's bases or even its stance on allies in the war. We can speak in private if you'd like, though I'm sure they've already been made public elsewhere.
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PlatinumPatriot is not online. PlatinumPatriot
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06 May 2016 02:17 PM
falsewarrior is more insightful that Wannabet on clan politics

this is a revelation
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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06 May 2016 02:22 PM
For a group to be cancerous it would have to provide significantly greater harm than good. That's the implication the word has. It shouldn't be used to describe dishonorable actions. Yes, I dislike RAT's conduct and believe that the group has more cons to it than UAF in the scope of it, but it's also undeniable that RAT produces more benefit as well. Right now one of the biggest issues clans face is the lack of newcomers being brought into our community, and there's absolutely no other clan that can contend the good RAT does in bringing new people in.



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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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06 May 2016 02:27 PM
We cannot overlook the moral aberrations in RAT's current structuring that threaten to overtake the entire community lightly, WB. Even if some small benefit is conferred to us as a whole, RAT's function is easily fulfilled by FEAR and others with fewer egregious moral failings.

Allow time for an analogy. My hands are useful to me. However, a necrosis in one of them may threaten to spread to the rest of my body and kill me. It seems imprudent to keep the hand for its usefulness when the health of the whole is threatened. Thus, I argue that RAT must be beaten and its vices scorned before they infect greater swaths of the clan community.
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Synoan is not online. Synoan
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06 May 2016 02:28 PM
there's a reason wannabet's clan is dead everyone
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Polymorphic is online. Polymorphic
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06 May 2016 02:31 PM
The attitude that groups can frivolously intervene in wars that do not concern them is a cancerous ideal that UAF is supporting -- even though such action was denounced previously by them when it seemed to potentially hinder them.

This attitude will nail the coffin in wars on ROBLOX, as groups will form alliances merely to have allies shove themselves into their wars to defend them.

Wars on ROBLOX are meant to test the strength of groups individually -- this is without external influence. If groups can spill their member bases into allied clans for war, this creates a de facto super group where several groups are merely self organizing factions of a larger group of individuals. This is a cancerous ideal.
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06 May 2016 02:31 PM
neither
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06 May 2016 02:33 PM
both


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5ancu is not online. 5ancu
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06 May 2016 02:34 PM
"Wars on ROBLOX are meant to test the strength of groups individually -- this is without external influence. If groups can spill their member bases into allied clans for war, this creates a de facto super group where several groups are merely self organizing factions of a larger group of individuals. This is a cancerous ideal."

RAT is basically split into two groups as well though, the general RAT members, who are just serverflood material that can be dismissed at any point, and your actual raiders, FoL.
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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06 May 2016 02:35 PM
What is RAT infecting the community with, False? Every group has its shortcomings, but to label one as cancerous implies that you believe the group is spreading something destructive upon the rest of the community. The overwhelming reliance on the forums, the obsession with war, the instigation of forum conflicts over every small thing brought to us by forum hype / powerclans - that's truly cancerous. What has RAT been spreading that's going to make the community crash? Is it enough to offset the positive strides they've made by turning clans to mass recruitment / VIP recruitment and towards establishing groups within the front pages as they once were?


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williamis3alt is not online. williamis3alt
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06 May 2016 02:37 PM
Nice try trying to beat False's dictionary and thesaurus, but you will never succeed.


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The_Conductor is not online. The_Conductor
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06 May 2016 02:37 PM
"The attitude that groups can frivolously intervene in wars that do not concern them is a cancerous ideal that UAF is supporting"

that has action

why wouldn't you do this?
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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06 May 2016 02:38 PM
Polymorphic, nonsense! What harm stems from the creation of Coalitions? This adds a new, diplomatic factor to warfare that has previously gone unconsidered by all parties and allows for petty squabbles to swell into great wars the likes of which have never been seen before!

With respect to our particular war, our allies that have pledged support do have an invested interest in a UAF-RAT conflict, it is hardly frivolous. Our ideals, vengeance, all play a role in their involvement.

It is time for individual clans, traditionally modeled as a sort of "sports team", to transcend their individuality and embrace the chaotic reality that is a clan war! The time has come for spontaneity to light the dying flame of this community!

Where you see a potential death of the clan world, Polymorphic, I see boundless opportunity for all.
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Polymorphic is online. Polymorphic
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06 May 2016 02:38 PM
"RAT is basically split into two groups as well though, the general RAT members, who are just serverflood material that can be dismissed at any point, and your actual raiders, FoL."

But this functions wholistically. FoL is RAT, but RAT is not FoL. I don't see your point.

What I'm speaking about is, for example, A declares war on B, who has allies C and D. C joins B. Is the war still A vs B, A vs BC, or A vs C in extreme cases?

We declare war on B. We did not declare war on C, or any part of C. Now, imagine this going to a further extreme -- with D, E, F, and G getting involved. The war was A vs B, now it can be as convoluted as A vs BCDEFG in extreme cases. Is this at all fair? Is this how we want the state of groups to be? BCDEFG forming a super faction that will essentially monopolize warfare on groups?
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5ancu is not online. 5ancu
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06 May 2016 02:39 PM
RAT condones unfair (unequal) guns being given to defender and raider, as well as divisional advantages, such as a larger income of funds (aurem at RAT's fortification, twice the amount per kill), as well as starting cash (aurem) for defenders. Another divisional advantage is the 3-shot-pistol at Celeste II.

And then you can go on to discuss spawn advantage, which is a reasonable advantage to have at your fort, but on top of the irregular, and often frowned upon advantages listed above, no.

And then there's the fact that they're against allies being used in wars, completely defeating the purpose of their implementation.
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GetSporked is not online. GetSporked
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06 May 2016 02:40 PM
RAT

rad
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magnacata is not online. magnacata
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06 May 2016 02:41 PM
All a matter of opinion. In my opinion though, opinions are opinions and opinions do not matter, others may have an opinion on your opinion and think that this reply is useless, in my opinion though, this has meaning.
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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06 May 2016 02:42 PM
Polymorphic. If you fear the power of a coalition, make your own. RAT has people that are willing to stand beside it, for whatever reason.
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magnacata is not online. magnacata
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06 May 2016 02:43 PM
I am opinionated, not as much as you sir.
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