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the issue with democratic socialism

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wenddawg is not online. wenddawg
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05 May 2016 11:41 PM
is that a democracy is indispensable to socialism

-vladimir lenin
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Debateyou is not online. Debateyou
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05 May 2016 11:43 PM
Looks like he's demonstrably wrong.
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wenddawg is not online. wenddawg
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05 May 2016 11:46 PM
Argue your point, I'll listen
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FroggoBLOX is not online. FroggoBLOX
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05 May 2016 11:46 PM
is this a parody of my post on libertarianism?
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phoniex is not online. phoniex
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05 May 2016 11:47 PM
Lenin was a radical communist who believed true communism could not come about without a dictatorship.
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IhateMcCramer is not online. IhateMcCramer
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05 May 2016 11:48 PM
The leader of the CCF party in 1944 proved otherwise for Canada, whatever his name was.


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ravioli_formioli is not online. ravioli_formioli
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05 May 2016 11:48 PM
The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.



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DoTheSafetyDance is not online. DoTheSafetyDance
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05 May 2016 11:48 PM
in that case would you like your clothes in gray or grey
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05 May 2016 11:48 PM
Ah crap, I misread your post.

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FroggoBLOX is not online. FroggoBLOX
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05 May 2016 11:49 PM
"The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

the trouble with petty political insults and strawman arguments is that they have no basis in reality
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05 May 2016 11:51 PM
"the trouble with petty political insults and strawman arguments is that they have no basis in reality"

the problem with you is that socialism still doesn't work lol.


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05 May 2016 11:51 PM
Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and a multitude of other countries show that you're demonstrably wrong.
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FroggoBLOX is not online. FroggoBLOX
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05 May 2016 11:52 PM
"the problem with you is that socialism still doesn't work lol."

the problem with you is that you don't even know what I stand for
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ravioli_formioli is not online. ravioli_formioli
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05 May 2016 11:53 PM
except the US couldn't survive the suppression of economic democracy and self-management from a full socialist government, such as Quebec, or the countries you listed.


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phoniex is not online. phoniex
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05 May 2016 11:54 PM
@rav

Quebec isn't a country...
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ravioli_formioli is not online. ravioli_formioli
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05 May 2016 11:54 PM
I never said it was. Quebec is known for its extreme socialist policies, thats why I listed it.


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05 May 2016 11:56 PM
"except the US couldn't survive the suppression of economic democracy and self-management from a full socialist government, such as Quebec, or the countries you listed."

Why exactly couldn't it survive under a fully socialist government?

I'm not in favor of a fully socialist government, I simply want more socialist policies implemented, in my view, a good mix of both capitalism and socialism is essential, you need them to keep each other in check.
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ravioli_formioli is not online. ravioli_formioli
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05 May 2016 11:57 PM
"economic democracy and self-management"

because it's economic structure and what the people and corporations are used to. Theoretically it could be implemented over a VERY long time though.


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FroggoBLOX is not online. FroggoBLOX
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05 May 2016 11:58 PM
"because it's economic structure and what the people and corporations are used to. Theoretically it could be implemented over a VERY long time though."

fair point, but I think you're overestimating the amount of time it would take
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