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Re: The Second Cycle of the Tech. Juggernauts?

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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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02 May 2016 12:01 AM
Throughout 2011 to 2013, years veterans of the community commonly remember as the 'golden age' for clans, three groups dominated the front pages with their incredible technology and marketing abilities. These three groups were VS, WIJ and RAT, and they were the technological juggernauts of the first cycle. With the inclination towards war and competitive team-like structure over technology and mass recruitment, innovation halted and the juggernauts of the first cycle remained unrivaled for many years. However, with the return of the old values in our community (focus on tech. and mass recruitment) throughout the past year, the second cycle may be just around the corner.

Here are the three small groups and two superclan nominees which I think can comprise the second cycle (keep in mind that this is entirely from my observation and that my knowledge on the development of other teams is limited. The list only considers traditional war clans as opposed to roleplay groups such as ronations and GoT)

*subjective evaluations per category are relative to clan standards (which are substantially lower to game development standards)

Smaller clan category:
[RI]
Scripter team: 9/10
Builder team: 8/10
Production speed: 7/10
Resources: 9/10
Network / connections: 8/10
Ideas: 9.5/10

[A-Sov]
Scripter team: 7.5/10
Builder team: 8.5/10
Production speed: 7/10
Resources: 8/10
Network / connections: 7.5/10
Ideas: 9/10

https://www.roblox.com/groups/group.aspx?gid=1079599

Commonwealth of Amaranth-
Scripter team: 6/10
Builder team: 7.5/10
Production speed: 9.5/10
Resources: 7.5/10
Network / connections: 7/10
Ideas: 7/10

https://www.roblox.com/groups/group.aspx?gid=2809780

Superclan category:
FEAR -
Scripter team: 7.5/10 (incredible designers but traditionally lacks functionality and has a lot of problems with scripters)
Builder team: 7/10
Production speed: 8.5/10
Resources: 9.5/10
Network / connections: 9/10 (presumption)
Ideas: 8/10

& possibly returning to the throne:

WIJ (based of what I've seen)
Scripter team: 7.5/10
Builder team: 7.5/10
Production speed: N/A/10 (my assumption - 7/10)
Resources: 10/10 (presuming SS is involved to any capacity)
Network / connections: 10/10 (presuming SS is involved to any capacity)
Ideas: 8/10 (based on what I've seen + assumption since traditionally WIJ had good gameplay ideas)

Why not RAT?
The reason I don't see RAT re-becoming a technological juggernaut is because it currently has no need to innovate to succeed. RAT has no major superclan competitors that it needs to beat and it therefore pays little attention to being more innovative with their games and their bases. It is positioned too comfortably at the moment and will require a lot of pressure from other clans in order to produce bases that will amount to substantial success like Borealis in 2013. Hopefully some of the clans listed can provide that kind of pressure; most notably its biggest rival on the list (FEAR) whose success will make RAT quite responsive.


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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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02 May 2016 12:04 AM
Grumpy veteran: First cycle? What are you talking about, those clans are all new to me! I'm from 2008, back when we had unofficial clans running around on front page games. Now that's what the first cycle was.

Yes grumpy veteran, you are correct about the first cycle of clans predating VS, WIJ and RAT, HOWEVER, I'm referring to the first cycle of MAJOR TECH. clans which only popped up with the rise of VS. Okay??


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coolguy950 is not online. coolguy950
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02 May 2016 12:08 AM
Nice thread WB, but why did you post group links for only 2 clans?
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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02 May 2016 12:19 AM
*facepalm*


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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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02 May 2016 12:21 AM
No These Clans Bad.


https://www.roblox.com/sev3-item?id=290109654
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ExoFall is not online. ExoFall
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02 May 2016 12:24 AM
This dude rates his clan the highest HA



I think heaven is something people imagine to help them grasp the unexplainable possibility of the "afterlife"
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Atomicblast180 is not online. Atomicblast180
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02 May 2016 12:26 AM
Throughout 2011 to 2013, years veterans of the community commonly remember as the 'golden age' for clans, three groups dominated the front pages with their incredible technology and marketing abilities. These three groups were VS, WIJ and RAT, and they were the technological juggernauts of the first cycle. With the inclination towards war and competitive team-like structure over technology and mass recruitment, innovation halted and the juggernauts of the first cycle remained unrivaled for many years. However, with the return of the old values in our community (focus on tech. and mass recruitment) throughout the past year, the second cycle may be just around the corner.

Here is one small group which I think can't comprise the second cycle (keep in mind that this is entirely from my observation and that my knowledge on the development of other teams is limited. The list only considers traditional war clans as opposed to roleplay groups such as ronations and GoT)

*subjective evaluations per category are relative to clan standards (which are substantially lower to game development standards)

Smaller clan category:
[RI]
Scripter team: 1/10
Builder team: 1/10
Production speed: 1/10
Resources: 1/10
Network / connections: 1/10
Ideas: 1/10
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Lord_Vydrak is not online. Lord_Vydrak
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02 May 2016 12:27 AM
I was assuming this was going to be a serious thread based off of the intro then I got to the part where you give group ratings and realized you're obviously trolling
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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02 May 2016 12:29 AM
How am I trolling Vydrok? ?


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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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02 May 2016 12:30 AM
How would you rate them and who would you replace them with?


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Atomicblast180 is not online. Atomicblast180
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02 May 2016 12:30 AM
yeah how is he trolling Vydork?
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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02 May 2016 12:52 AM
Hmpf it appears that Vydrok is Speechless.


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Lord_Vydrak is not online. Lord_Vydrak
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02 May 2016 12:53 AM
If we're trying to be realistic here:

[RI]
Scripter team: 6.5/10
Building team: 6/10
Production speed: 4/10
Resources: 5/10
Network / connections: 2/10
Ideas: 4/10

I edited based off of the expectations you set for the other clans, for instance FEAR, which you gave a 7.5 in the scripting team category even though the dude who scripted their Nexus hub has capabilities far beyond any scripter RI (especially if it's Laedere). I'm not entirely sure who your building team consists of but based off the RI places I've seen there's nothing impressive at all so if you're going to give clans like WIJ (that actually have a cool building style and tons of Officers who built their own training place) a 7.5, your rating should be lower. Connections you hardly have any and you've proven that countless times because your only way of advertising RI is by either making threads like this or pissing off relevant clans like VOID/RAA
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Laedere is online. Laedere
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02 May 2016 12:54 AM
Dude I'm the best scripter in the world.
Do you doubt my abilities?
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Laedere is online. Laedere
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02 May 2016 12:57 AM
Also I'm not sure why you mentioned me I don't script for RI
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Lord_Vydrak is not online. Lord_Vydrak
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02 May 2016 12:58 AM
Somebody said you did, I wasn't trying to imply you're trash I was trying to emphasize how good FEAR's scripter is.
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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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02 May 2016 12:59 AM
though our scripting team is bad idk what you're saying WB


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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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02 May 2016 01:00 AM
Vydrak, what work are you basing the RI ranking off? Kel'danas?

FEAR has issues with scripting functional work. Often times they create pretty designs but get the logic wrong or they don't work very well. It also traditionally has a problem with finding core scripters and working with contractors since often times they're unreliable. It's the reason Venezia was halted for such a long time and they came to RI asking us to script it for them.


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Seviro is not online. Seviro
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02 May 2016 01:01 AM
we have GOOD scripters on our side, they just... don't do much


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Laedere is online. Laedere
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02 May 2016 01:01 AM
If they don't do anything exile them and find new ones
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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02 May 2016 01:01 AM
that would factor into production speed

the scripting / building mark is for quality


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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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02 May 2016 01:03 AM
of*

our stuff from 2011 and 2012 back when i led the first time (coming back again this summer) made by mako, nefix and dummiez is better than what most groups have made on their own


like this place
https://www.roblox.com/games/59039417/RI-Training-Stadium-3-2


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Lord_Vydrak is not online. Lord_Vydrak
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02 May 2016 01:13 AM
I don't know how you expect me to take you seriously when you make threads like this and then try to claim FEAR asked RI to script anything for them. Venezia has been done for over a year and FEAR just finished scripting their new mainframe which only took a few months to make, they've had their fair share of unreliable developers in the past but their recent accomplishments make up for it. The functionality of their projects isn't the problem, it's the fact that the group isn't necessarily filled with the most intelligent people.
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Lord_Vydrak is not online. Lord_Vydrak
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02 May 2016 01:18 AM
Also I think it's kind of funny you left out VOID, which arguably surpasses every clan on this list in most categories.
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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02 May 2016 01:20 AM
In the latter years of my leadership FEAR requested that we scripted Venezia 100k+. Specifically this request went out to Mako123 and TPC since Dummiez began working on The Quarry around that time. We have better scripters, I assure you judging their previous released work. Much of what they produce is a success because of the vast resources the clan has. SONIC could personally push anything he possibly wants into the front page. I would even argue that our UI designers are up to par with FEAR's and as you know FEAR's are excellent. Functionality is very important because its what makes the scripts work. Does FEAR's database even work yet? It's very pretty, but on their release it didn't record anything or handle promotions (which it's obviously meant to). Did they fix that?


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