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Re: Roblox is a community game, NOT a Dev platform

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parsoktek is not online. parsoktek
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04 Apr 2016 11:22 PM
(I posted this on ATR, literally 1 minute later, it gets deleted, gg mods, gg.)
I am tired of greedy devs, bad company decisions, people defending Roblox, and people flaming anti-tix removal people. They need to learn, that removing TIX is NOT A GOOD DECISION. I was outraged that the Trade Currency was changed, and everything got way expensive. NOW THEY REMOVE A CURRENCY THAT I USED FOR MOST OF MY ROBLOX LIFE. TELL ME, HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE ROBLOX PROVIDED A GOOD UPDATE? 1 year? 2 years? I would say 3. The supporters of Roblox wants this game to be a Dev platform. IT IS NOT A DEV PLATFORM, IT IS A COMMUNITY-DRIVEN GAME.

Before you say "OGM Another TIX thread!" THIS IS NOT A TIX THREAD. I WILL EXPLAIN.

Have you seen old ROBLOX? No? That is what I thought. Let me explain. In old ROBLOX, the company actually listened to the community. The community was always happy, and there were a lot of quality games. DO YOU UNDERSTAND YET? No? Well, let me explain more. Roblox actually replied to their community's feedback. They improved the engine to what they wanted. That is why there were a lot of quality games in old ROBLOX.

Now, let me tell you this, The reason why Egg Hunt 2013 is widely recognized as the best event on ROBLOX, is because that it shows the Games Team at it's finest. They got feedback from the community, and planned the event ahead of time. About 80% of the community thought that this was the greatest event of all time on ROBLOX. The only people that don't like the event was accounts that were created ahead of the date, and people who like the new events.

Now let's go back to Modern Roblox (2014-present). Late 2013 was when everything that made ROBLOX good went down. First came the Price Floors, then came Tax, then Paid Access, then DevEx, then Devents, then the original Friends system, then the community got poisoned with "cancer games", then the old Profiles got replaced, the the old avatar was planned to be completely replaced, and now they are removing a currency that almost everyone depended on at the start of ROBLOX. After the removal of TIX, all of the nostalgia of old ROBLOX is gone. Old players won't have any reason to be on ROBLOX anymore. I think you know the rest of the bad updates.

So, you want to know what will happen? Well, I'll explain.
1. About 20-75% of the community leaves.
2. Clothing companies are pretty much dead.
3. War groups are pretty much dead.
4. Small devs are affected, and leave.
5. Big devs cannot make as much money, so they make their game P2W.
6. Since none of the Robloxians can find quality games, even more people leave.
7. Roblox does Devents again, causing outcry among the remaments of the community
8. In protest of this, no Robloxians buy Robux or BC anymore.
9. Since Big devs do not gain any money, they leave. There is no small, or rising devs to take their place.
10. Shirts, T-shirts, and Pants, are repeatedly cloned, removing quality of clothing.
11. So is gear, hats, and packages.
12. Even more people leave because of this.
13. Roblox eventually goes bankrupt and collapses under inflation, and financial trouble.
See what happens when Roblox makes a small change? They take out most of the community. Many people quit for bad updates as well.

I can summarize ROBLOX making this decision in 1 word: GREEDY. IT IS COMFIRMED. ROBLOX IS GREEDY. IT IS ALSO CONFIRMED THAT THIS IS THE WORST UPDATE IN THE HISTORY OF ROBLOX. No one is safe this time. I TELL YOU. NO ONE. I AM NOT OVERREACTING. I AM SERIOUS. IT'S THE END OF ROBLOX AS WE KNOW IT. I AM NOT WRONG.

"We are getting free hats"
Yay free hats! (Sarcasm)
Seriously, what is good with free hats? TELL ME, I DARE YOU!

"This was made to simplify the economy"
ABSOULTELY OUTRAGEOUS. If it did anything, it angered the community. It did nothing good.

"Agreed"/"Support"
Well that's great.

"OGM another TIX thread!"
FOR THE LAST TIME, THIS IS NOT A TIX THREAD.

"We are getting free Robux"
I don't have ANY PROOF that we are getting free Robux.

"..."
Well, that's great.

"Roblox is a Dev platform"
Looks like you did not read.

"TL;DR"
nope.avi

"Seriously, TL;DR"
You can read this in about 5-10 minutes.

"Word wall"
Seriously? This is not a word wall. I even paragraphed it.

I can sum up my reaction to Roblox removing TIX in 3 words: I. Am. Done. Not even capitalizing it.

Thanks for reading it.

-Parsoktek.
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lego555444 is not online. lego555444
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04 Apr 2016 11:46 PM
seems too legit this may get removed for that, just saying


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0nesh0t is not online. 0nesh0t
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04 Apr 2016 11:52 PM
i see percentages an no sources of any sort backing those percentages
provide em pls so i know you're just not pulling numbers out of your ass

Checkmate.
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mingyii100 is not online. mingyii100
Joined: 12 Sep 2010
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04 Apr 2016 11:57 PM
I agree.

I really like roblox and i played it everyday but the price floors,
the devents,
the 3.0s,
and now, the removal of tixs.

I hate to see a game become like this and i don't want to quit roblox but when i do...

I made some games using love2d(which is a game engine) and the community is kinda nice there so you know where i am when i quit.



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SteveHeerobrine is not online. SteveHeerobrine
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04 Apr 2016 11:58 PM
trackin'


kay why ess
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MrSeventeen is not online. MrSeventeen
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05 Apr 2016 12:01 AM
agree
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parsoktek is not online. parsoktek
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05 Apr 2016 12:07 AM
And Roblox if you are seeing this, please do not delete my thread, it took me 1 hour to make.
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0nesh0t is not online. 0nesh0t
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05 Apr 2016 12:09 AM
but op do ya got sources

Checkmate.
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MrSeventeen is not online. MrSeventeen
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05 Apr 2016 12:13 AM
oneshot, its just his estimation
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parsoktek is not online. parsoktek
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05 Apr 2016 12:15 AM
@0ne
I have proof
1. Eggventure Beta was 450 ROBUX.
2. Activeness dropped on the front page for many games
3. There are not many Clothing Company ads as there were as before
4. Same applies to War Groups
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0nesh0t is not online. 0nesh0t
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05 Apr 2016 12:24 AM
...those aren't sources.

Checkmate.
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0nesh0t is not online. 0nesh0t
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05 Apr 2016 12:24 AM
nvm just saw seventeen's post.

Checkmate.
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GuySimonds is not online. GuySimonds
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05 Apr 2016 01:10 AM
^ He's from 2010, so how would you know?
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HarrySnotte is not online. HarrySnotte
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05 Apr 2016 05:43 AM
"I am not even overreacting"
Yes you are.

"How long has it been since roblox provided a good update?"
Not that long actually, roblox does great updates, especially the ones to the engine like smooth terrain, solid modeling, dynamic lighting etc.
Price floors, I wasn't happy about this either, but at the time it didn't make that much difference, you just had to save up for 10 days before getting to buy a shirt, don't exagerate... Default character changes, aw come on, are you really complaining about this? You can change this at any time -_-. Paid acces is actually an amazing update, it helps developers a lot and is mostly only used in Alpha and Beta phases, so what's the actual complaint here? DevEx, what's your problem with people making money out of something they worked really hard for? Devents was bad indeed, but only because the developers did a bad job on it, not because it was a bad idea, this isn't actually roblox' fault. The new friend system actually makes more sense to me, as it removes the random adding friends, for me they can even lower the maximum amount of friends to like 50 or something, I wouldn't care. And what "cancer games" do you even mean? Quality is better than ever before!

"The community was always happy, and there were a lot of quality games."
The community might have been happy, but that last part is so darn false man. The quality of the games has never been higher than nowadays. I joined in 2011, but I played a year as guest before, and I can tell that game quality only started to be a thing at like... 2013 or something. Games used to be crap, they were all the same: zombie games, tycoons, OD-ing and clickbait. Especially since DevEx, when people started taking it seriously, good games came to the frontpage.

I'll get to some consequences that you mentioned and explain why they are bs:
20-75% of the community leaves... I have no words that can describe the stupidity of this, although I'll try: at first, that's a very wide range, bro, it can vary up to 55%? And secondly, people don't earn any more tickets for a bit of time now and literally NO ONE has left yet. Clothing comanies are dead, that's true, can't argue with that. War groups are dead, they were dead already anyway. Small devs are affected and leave, they are indeed affected, but on avarage they can still make money, they lose about 15-20% of their income, it's much, but not that much to make them leave I think(at least I won't). Big devs lose less than 5% of their income, they won't make a big deal out of it. Quality games won't leave as devs won't leave. Devents have nothing to do with this case, why is this even in here?? People will probably buy bc instead of protesting against it... What has cloning clothes to do with this problem? As only bc's and devs can do this(and tickets make less than 5% of their income, so it won't make a big difference), they have no reason to do this whatsoever.

"Roblox is greedy."
Yes, they need to make money, as every single company in the world does. And I don't think they're that greedy at all, DevEx proves this. Roblox wants to support their developers, but the money needs to come from somewhere, so they take it from the players. Is it that bad? No, it's not. If you worked on something for months, wouldn't you want it to give something back? Roblox players get to play all these games for free, be happy about that at least.

"Roblox is community-driven, not a developer platform."
Now this is the shttiest argument that I read on every post like this. Roblox IS a developer platform, it's their darn concept, it's the whole idea of roblox: CREATING. Without creations, roblox would be nothing, without creations, roblox would be just like a facebook site, so without games, but also without different characters, everyone would be the same. And even if not everyone was the same, even if the clothing was still here, your argument would be straight bs, there is no one on the whole planet who makes a roblox account just to buy clothes and surf on the site, NO, people make roblox accounts to either play games or CREATE something. And guess what? The games that you play are made by darn developers! Without developers roblox is nothing, nada, zero!
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Xylotos is not online. Xylotos
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05 Apr 2016 06:04 AM
I hope you do realize that ROBLOX is a company and the goal of a company is to make as much $$$ they can.
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Xylotos is not online. Xylotos
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05 Apr 2016 06:07 AM
ALSO. There is actually a good thing about the TIX removal. It will remove those crappy games from the front page. You know those free modelled pieces of garbage that "devs" make profit off? If they can't make any profit out of those, there is no point of them even trying. Hopefully they don't find a loophole out of this though.
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Thundermaker300 is not online. Thundermaker300
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05 Apr 2016 06:14 AM
I support but I just wanna say fix ur caps lock please.
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GamerzToon is not online. GamerzToon
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05 Apr 2016 06:19 AM
@xylo

Well Roblox is doing a very terrible job at it. Screwing over YOUR own community, the one who are the only reason your game is still here is NOT the way to go.
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epicmuffinman123 is not online. epicmuffinman123
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05 Apr 2016 06:23 AM
good thread roblox is becomeing bad support
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AnotherDisaster is not online. AnotherDisaster
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05 Apr 2016 06:26 AM
For the first time ever I'll say this isn't TL;DR. This is pretty interesting...
Since I originally joined in 2013.. I agree with you :)

ROBLOX will be bankrupt pretty soon. No one can deny that. All those 'recruiting 40 employees' is a joke.
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Zyterious is not online. Zyterious
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05 Apr 2016 06:55 AM
Agreed.
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parsoktek is not online. parsoktek
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05 Apr 2016 10:01 AM
"How long has it been since roblox provided a good update?"
Not that long actually, roblox does great updates, especially the ones to the engine like smooth terrain, solid modeling, dynamic lighting etc.
Price floors, I wasn't happy about this either, but at the time it didn't make that much difference, you just had to save up for 10 days before getting to buy a shirt, don't exagerate... Default character changes, aw come on, are you really complaining about this? You can change this at any time -_-. Paid acces is actually an amazing update, it helps developers a lot and is mostly only used in Alpha and Beta phases, so what's the actual complaint here? DevEx, what's your problem with people making money out of something they worked really hard for? Devents was bad indeed, but only because the developers did a bad job on it, not because it was a bad idea, this isn't actually roblox' fault. The new friend system actually makes more sense to me, as it removes the random adding friends, for me they can even lower the maximum amount of friends to like 50 or something, I wouldn't care. And what "cancer games" do you even mean? Quality is better than ever before!"
I meant to the site. Remember the original Price Floors? 300 TIX for a piece of clothing? Yep. Paid Access is not as bad as the other updates I defined. DevEx was not needed, and started P2W games in ROBLOX. Even after the update, random friend requests happen! IT'S LIKE THEY DID NOTHING. *cough* Murder Games *cough* Roblox High School *cough* Work at a Pizza place *cough* Don't understand? Well a "cancer game" is either A. A low quality game, B. A game that has a very bad community. And this is why Input the most cancerous games mockingly.

"The community was always happy, and there were a lot of quality games."
The community might have been happy, but that last part is so darn false man. The quality of the games has never been higher than nowadays. I joined in 2011, but I played a year as guest before, and I can tell that game quality only started to be a thing at like... 2013 or something. Games used to be crap, they were all the same: zombie games, tycoons, OD-ing and clickbait. Especially since DevEx, when people started taking it seriously, good games came to the frontpage.

Of course there are some games that are cancer, but, game quality in 2006-2012 terms is "A game that is popular, and attracts people." But there are some games that are low quality, so we stopped defining game quality that way.

"I'll get to some consequences that you mentioned and explain why they are bs:
20-75% of the community leaves... I have no words that can describe the stupidity of this, although I'll try: at first, that's a very wide range, bro, it can vary up to 55%? And secondly, people don't earn any more tickets for a bit of time now and literally NO ONE has left yet. Clothing comanies are dead, that's true, can't argue with that. War groups are dead, they were dead already anyway. Small devs are affected and leave, they are indeed affected, but on avarage they can still make money, they lose about 15-20% of their income, it's much, but not that much to make them leave I think(at least I won't). Big devs lose less than 5% of their income, they won't make a big deal out of it. Quality games won't leave as devs won't leave. Devents have nothing to do with this case, why is this even in here?? People will probably buy bc instead of protesting against it... What has cloning clothes to do with this problem? As only bc's and devs can do this(and tickets make less than 5% of their income, so it won't make a big difference), they have no reason to do this whatsoever."

These are estimation, and predictions. We do not know what will happen when Roblox removes TIX.

"Roblox is greedy."
Yes, they need to make money, as every single company in the world does. And I don't think they're that greedy at all, DevEx proves this. Roblox wants to support their developers, but the money needs to come from somewhere, so they take it from the players. Is it that bad? No, it's not. If you worked on something for months, wouldn't you want it to give something back? Roblox players get to play all these games for free, be happy about that at least.

It will be the reverse after this. They will take less money, while the devs will be rich. Also, there is Paid Access. But that's mostly for Dev stages of upcoming games. Also, taking money is bad, it's called "Abducting the player base", that means forcing people to buy premium features, to actually benefit from games.

"Roblox is community-driven, not a developer platform."
Now this is the shttiest argument that I read on every post like this. Roblox IS a developer platform, it's their darn concept, it's the whole idea of roblox: CREATING. Without creations, roblox would be nothing, without creations, roblox would be just like a facebook site, so without games, but also without different characters, everyone would be the same. And even if not everyone was the same, even if the clothing was still here, your argument would be straight bs, there is no one on the whole planet who makes a roblox account just to buy clothes and surf on the site, NO, people make roblox accounts to either play games or CREATE something. And guess what? The games that you play are made by darn developers! Without developers roblox is nothing, nada, zero!

This must be the most absolute bs argument I have ever seen in the forums. Roblox actually cared about the community, when I joined. It is just it turned to a Dev platform, and I don't want it to be a "Mini-Steam" If people want to do serious developing, then they use Steam. DevEx made this game a "Rip off of Steam". To further prove it wrong, here is a description from Wikipedia.

"Roblox, stylized as RŌBLOX, is a massively multiplayer online game created and marketed toward children and teenagers aged 8–18." -Wikipedia.

Wikipedia tells us that it is a multiplayer online game, do you know what the server users are part of? A community, you already know. It tells us they originally created this game for, the community to come after it. It is just, after DevEx, it became a Dev platform.
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Ninja8008 is not online. Ninja8008
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05 Apr 2016 10:11 AM
Late 2013 is when I left ROBLOX for a couple of years. This sums up why.
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HarrySnotte is not online. HarrySnotte
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05 Apr 2016 10:21 AM
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Okay, I'm not really saying that the community is not important, I'm just stating that your arguments towards developers are invalid. The community is important indeed, and roblox does actually care about their community, they know that they're nothing without it.
BUT, some of these updates are actually made because the community screwd it, pricefloor is the best exemple for this. The pricefloor was implemented mainly because people kept copying(=stealing) clothing from its original creator. Pricefloors were meant to protect the creator and prevent the shtty part of the community to copy it. Other site updates, like the look of it were actually quite nice to me, I like the new version much better.

Also, you see the removal of tickets the wrong way. Roblox isn't actually taking money from us, they're just stopping to give it away for free. It's like you donate a dollar each day to a homeless man and suddenly you stop donating. That homeless man is not going to outrage because you stopped doing something that you're not even obliged to do.

You say that roblox becomes a mini-steam... Roblox can't be compared to steam in any way. Steam is like a gameshop online, that's it. You can have an account and have friends, but besides of that, it's just a shop. Roblox has an engine, which is already enough to see how different it is.
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parsoktek is not online. parsoktek
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05 Apr 2016 10:45 AM
"Okay, I'm not really saying that the community is not important, I'm just stating that your arguments towards developers are invalid. The community is important indeed, and roblox does actually care about their community, they know that they're nothing without it.
BUT, some of these updates are actually made because the community screwd it, pricefloor is the best exemple for this. The pricefloor was implemented mainly because people kept copying(=stealing) clothing from its original creator. Pricefloors were meant to protect the creator and prevent the shtty part of the community to copy it. Other site updates, like the look of it were actually quite nice to me, I like the new version much better."

If you look at the blog about the price-floors, then you will see that they actually made it to get money. And it made stealing clothing more prominent. The new site update is Moblie-Friendly.


"Also, you see the removal of tickets the wrong way. Roblox isn't actually taking money from us, they're just stopping to give it away for free. It's like you donate a dollar each day to a homeless man and suddenly you stop donating. That homeless man is not going to outrage because you stopped doing something that you're not even obliged to do."

Okay then... They are going to get money from another person anyways. Still, does not stop many people from complaining.

"You say that roblox becomes a mini-steam... Roblox can't be compared to steam in any way. Steam is like a gameshop online, that's it. You can have an account and have friends, but besides of that, it's just a shop. Roblox has an engine, which is already enough to see how different it is."

Well, they actually created a post comparing them selves to Steam. (Link: http://blog.roblox.com/2014/05/roblox-vs-steam-how-we-measure-up/)

Also that was just some counter arguments. Not a new version of my post.
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