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lobstery7
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| 03 Apr 2016 04:02 PM |
It's been confirmed that someone from S1 is dying, which leaves the following:
Rick Carl Daryl Carol Glenn
I think it's pretty safe to say that Rick and Carl are going to be fine (talk about plot armor)..
I'm hoping it's Glenn. He's the one who would hurt the least, imo, and benefit the story most. I think it's ultimately going to come down to Glenn or Daryl. I'd be okay with any of them dying, really, even Rick or Carl. The only one I really don't want to see die is Carol. She has the most compelling character arc/story out of anyone on the show, and there is still so much left they can do with her character. Not to mention the fact that McBride's acting is award worthy sphix.
Some people are saying we're going to be left on a cliffhanger, though. Which for me will ruin what is supposed to be one of the most emotional moments in the entire series. |
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| 03 Apr 2016 06:05 PM |
please be daryl he hasn't served a purpose since season 4 please be daryl he hasn't served a purpose since season 4 please be daryl he hasn't served a purpose since season 4 please be daryl he hasn't served a purpose since season 4 please be daryl he hasn't served a purpose since season 4 please be daryl he hasn't served a purpose since season 4
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| 03 Apr 2016 06:15 PM |
if AMC puts on a cliffhanger and we don't see who dies that will literally be the worst but i heard the leaked audio of negan killing glenn/daryl (pretty sure it's one of them).
i'm pretty sure it's Glenn. especially when he (Negan) keeps smashing the skull, you can hear Maggie's scream, and I'm pretty sure she'd only scream that loud if her husband was having his skull smashed right in front of her eyes.
also, i don't know how they'd leave it on a cliffhanger. cut off the person kneeling? only show negan beating the head but not showing the person who dies at all? really wouldn't work.
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| 03 Apr 2016 06:27 PM |
Well from a story standpoint Daryl is the best pick since Glenn and Carol are both in the middle of other things right now and he has mostly just been there since the Beth arc
Also from an acting standpoint Daryl is easily the weakest of the season 1 characters I mean Rick has been fantastic throughout and is the most interesting character mostly because of Andrew Lincoln's performance Carol is interesting for the same reasons, and any problems I have with her character has been with being poorly written sometimes Glenn is fine and I feel like the actor is capable of a lot more emotionally then he is given, I want the writers to give him an opportunity to show that off so badly Daryl has never been bad, but I feel like he doesn't have the acting strength of the others from season 1
Also killing Glenn wouldn't have the same effect because of the fake-out earlier in the season.
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| 03 Apr 2016 06:30 PM |
And Carl wouldn't die because of his character's importance in the Negan story in the comics And rick is the primary main character, so obviously we wouldn't die with another season left at least well he could but they don't have the balls to do that
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lobstery7
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| 03 Apr 2016 06:52 PM |
"i'm pretty sure it's Glenn. especially when he (Negan) keeps smashing the skull, you can hear Maggie's scream, and I'm pretty sure she'd only scream that loud if her husband was having his skull smashed right in front of her eyes."
You have to remember that these people have been with each other since the beginning. Maggie knew everyone else from S1 just as long as she knew Glenn. They've all been through a lot with each other and consider themselves family. I think she's likely to scream that loud regardless of whether or not she's married to the person being hit. .........................................................................
"Well from a story standpoint Daryl is the best pick since Glenn and Carol are both in the middle of other things right now and he has mostly just been there since the Beth arc"
Yeah, but they did just have him shot by Dwight, which might be a sign that they're keeping him around. Having him shot the episode before he gets his head bashed in would be redundant. But, he's still high up on my list of who I think is gonna die.
"Also from an acting standpoint Daryl is easily the weakest of the season 1 characters"
Agreed.
"I mean Rick has been fantastic throughout and is the most interesting character mostly because of Andrew Lincoln's performance "
He's a great actor but his constant altering between 'good guy Rick' and 'whatever-it-takes' Rick got old pretty fast. He's been getting better lately, and he's obviously safe for now due to his plot armor, but story wise I still don't find his arc that interesting.
"Carol is interesting for the same reasons, and any problems I have with her character has been with being poorly written sometimes"
I don't know if you mean being poorly written due to her recent actions (or lack thereof in this case), but I really enjoy it and think it fits. She's gone from weak battered wife to incredible Terminator/Rambo assassin saving the entire group on her own multiple times. She's been both examples of extreme weakness to extreme badass, and I really like that they're starting to show a middle ground with her. It's more realistic. You can't live in even the apocalypse in shades of black and white, eventually things are going to catch up to you.
"Glenn is fine and I feel like the actor is capable of a lot more emotionally then he is given, I want the writers to give him an opportunity to show that off so badly"
I like Glenn, but I also feel like he has the same problem as Daryl. His story is weak. Literally the only thing going for him in his story is Maggie and the baby, and if you read the comics you know how that turns out. You can continue the Maggie/baby storyline without him, so he's virtually useless. They could've down something else with his character when it was shown that he finally had to kill someone, but they didn't. They showed his grief for a few seconds and just went on with it. That was a major waste, IMO. He seems to be around now as the same as Daryl, basically just a symbol and iconic character of the show.
"Daryl has never been bad, but I feel like he doesn't have the acting strength of the others from season 1"
That hospital arc was God-awful and useless. They really had potential to at the very least take Daryls character somewhere with that but they didn't. That entire half of the season just seemed like filler to me. Season 2 Daryl was good because he actually showed purpose (trying to find Sophia), and now they just keep him around as a stoic-grunting, seemingly invincible and emotionally unavailable angsty crossbow-wielding middle aged man. They've also introduced Jesus, who has all the same skills as Daryl and a lot more potential, which makes me believe he might be the one to go.
"Also killing Glenn wouldn't have the same effect because of the fake-out earlier in the season."
I was thinking this too, but some people have interpreted it as foreshadowing. The amount of times he's almost died, as well as him finding those pictures of the Lucille victims. People are saying it's the writers trying to lure us into a false sense of "Glenn can't die, look at his plot armor".
Overall, I think Glenn and Daryl are the most likely ones on the chopping block, but I'm still a bit concerned the writers are going to throw us for a twist and make it be Carol instead (giving Daryl another 'everyone i love dies' story arc). If I had it my way, being the sadistic carnage-loving show watcher I am, Maggie would be the one getting the bat. To see a preg woman we've known since the near beginning die so brutally would really bring back that 'nobody is safe' feel the show used to have, but I think that would be a bit too brutal for TWD. |
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| 03 Apr 2016 06:55 PM |
Also, about the cliffhanger. People think they're going to do this because the leaked footage shows the Lucille beating from the victims POV, which could mean they could easily cut away at the end without showing us who actually got hit.
I'm hoping we don't get the entire seen from a victim POV shot, because I'd love to see all the characters (Alexandrians and Saviors alike) reacting at once to the event. But if they do the entire thing from that angle, I just really hope they don't end on a cliffhanger. It would really ruin the emotional impact of the scene and prove that they just want to milk the series for as much money/buzz as possible. |
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| 03 Apr 2016 06:58 PM |
"He's a great actor but his constant altering between 'good guy Rick' and 'whatever-it-takes' Rick got old pretty fast."
Agreed. But that's a problem with the writing, and one that would become insufferable with most other actors. To a certain extent Andrew Lincoln was the only thing holding the show together at points.
"If I had it my way, being the sadistic carnage-loving show watcher I am, Maggie would be the one getting the bat. To see a preg woman we've known since the near beginning die so brutally would really bring back that 'nobody is safe' feel the show used to have"
Good idea, but if (this was mentioned at one point actually I think) the fetus has reached the point where its brain could function, would it come back if it is killed somehow? I'm not saying this should happen, but if the fetus were to die then it would make for some fantastic suspense over if it could come back.
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lobstery7
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| 03 Apr 2016 07:09 PM |
"Agreed. But that's a problem with the writing, and one that would become insufferable with most other actors. To a certain extent Andrew Lincoln was the only thing holding the show together at points."
I feel the same, but with Carol. There was a point in season 4 that she was literally the only reason i was watching the show. Everyone else was boring/useless to me. Glad it's gotten better since.
"Good idea, but if (this was mentioned at one point actually I think) the fetus has reached the point where its brain could function, would it come back if it is killed somehow? I'm not saying this should happen, but if the fetus were to die then it would make for some fantastic suspense over if it could come back."
That's another reason I would like to see them do this. There are so many possibilities and places they could take the story with this. Only thing is, babies in the womb don't have teeth, and the fingernails they have are really tiny, so I'm not sure how/if they could get past this in the writing. |
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| 03 Apr 2016 07:16 PM |
Oh, right, the carol thing. Forgot to mention that.
I actually like the way her story arc is going, with her rethinking her views and leaving due to this, it was the natural progression of a character like that I think. I just feel that the change came too suddenly It's a change that should be gradual over the whole season, even if it is more subtle. But they essentially made it take place entirely over 1 episode.
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| 03 Apr 2016 07:22 PM |
"I just feel that the change came too suddenly It's a change that should be gradual over the whole season, even if it is more subtle."
Yeah, there was a real flop in writing right there. The problem is that Carol started realizing the 'error' of her ways when she saw the Wolf save Denise (after he put her in danger, but nonetheless) during the midseason finale. So she saw that happen, and then they left us with a few months time jump where we didn't get to see how that effected her character. It's believable that it has happened, but we didn't get to see it, and I think that's the reason a lot of people are griping about her being "weak" again. I'm able to look past it, even though it is disappointing, because I still regard her as the best on the show in both a character and actress sense. |
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| 03 Apr 2016 09:37 PM |
| m beyond angry with this cliff hanger |
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| 03 Apr 2016 09:50 PM |
Ive been seeing this thread all day. It took me the entire day to figure out that TWD meant "The Walking Dead" and that this was a thread about the show. I feel particularly accomplished now that this has been figured out. However I also now fel that im not very on top of things.
Ah well. |
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| 03 Apr 2016 09:52 PM |
| ^ it doesn't matter anymore because the show runners just confirmed that they're okay with being responsible for a lumbering pile of bullshix that has managed to last for 6 going on 7 seasons. |
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| 03 Apr 2016 09:54 PM |
"^ it doesn't matter anymore because the show runners just confirmed that they're okay with being responsible for a lumbering pile of bullshix that has managed to last for 6 going on 7 seasons. "
Not sure what implications this holds but it does NOT sound good. |
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| 03 Apr 2016 09:58 PM |
here's what happened for those who don't know
the death that was supposed to be revealed tonight is one of the most iconic deaths in the the walking dead comics. probably would have been one of the most iconic scenes on television too.
you know what happened? the victim who gets killed is killed but they did a POV shot - a first person view - of the victim. they even blacked out after the first blow to the head
i'm surprised they pulled off such a stunt like this and the only logical reason i can think of why they would do this is because they want to make the fans angry af. go check out #TWDFinale on twitter. |
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| 03 Apr 2016 09:58 PM |
"Not sure what implications this holds but it does NOT sound good."
They have been hyping this episode for weeks. This episode containing what is supposed to be the most emotionally impactful death of the series. Singlehandedly the most iconic scene in the comic books. This was supposed to be a game changing, hard hitting episode that they hyped for weeks as "amazing" saying that we were finally going to see someone from season 1 bite the dust. They all but promised a major death. And what did they give us instead? A cliffhanger. Not just any cliffhanger, a cliff hanger so big that it reaches down into the Earths core and out the other side, into the abyss of nothingness that is outer space.
Anything they could have done with this episode would have been better what they gave us tonight. They could have killed off the entire cast and replaced them with bumbling morons and it would have been better than what they did here tonight. They basically just proved they don't care about the quality of the show they put out, just the ratings. |
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| 03 Apr 2016 10:02 PM |
" A cliffhanger. Not just any cliffhanger, a cliff hanger so big that it reaches down into the Earths core and out the other side, into the abyss of nothingness that is outer space."
Im most concerned that the writers apparently broke the planet. Thats not good. |
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| 03 Apr 2016 10:04 PM |
"Im most concerned that the writers apparently broke the planet. Thats not good. "
They destroyed everything that was good in the world. There is nothing anymore. Nothing worthwhile. |
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| 03 Apr 2016 10:41 PM |
| am i the only one who started crying when eugene stepped up and left with the RV on his own? god damn it TWD, god damn it. |
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| 03 Apr 2016 10:51 PM |
| Carl also locked his girlfriend in the closet. Next episode he probably lets her out and she starts dating Tara. |
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| 03 Apr 2016 11:11 PM |
Am I the only one not bothered by that cliffhanger?
Maybe it's because I've never read the comics. |
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| 03 Apr 2016 11:17 PM |
"Am I the only one not bothered by that cliffhanger?"
I am a smoker. I have been smoking a good number of cancer sticks for a while now, and I don't plan on quitting anytime soon. Now you might be asking, "why are you telling me this, internet stranger? What does your impulsive and poorly made decision to smoke have to do with my comment about the Walking Dead finale?" Well, here it is. I want you to know that despite that fact that red meat makes up a good portion of the meals I eat, despite the fact that I stand in front of the microwave for the entirety of the time that I am waiting for whatevers inside it to cook, and despite the fact that I am now and will continue to be a regular smoker of nicotine and tar sticks, nothing I have encountered on this planet in my near 20 years of life was quite as cancerous as that season finale right there. That wasn't just a mild benign inconvenience to my daily life. That finale was a full blown, inoperable, terminal tumor that has rendered me with as little as two weeks to live. Wish me luck in whatever afterlife may or may not exist. |
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