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Re: Every clan fort should be as challenging as SMO

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Lord_Vydrak is not online. Lord_Vydrak
Joined: 04 Mar 2016
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03 Apr 2016 03:34 PM
-- not during wartime

The fact that a lot of people here take pride in winning at simple bases (i.e WIJ Indigo or any RAA fort) is honestly disgraceful, there should be no satisfaction in something so easy

There should be nothing wrong with clans like FEAR and RAT (who obviously have a less experienced member core in the lower ranks) offering defensive perks at their fort to make up for lack of skill/knowledge of the base

I firmly believe that if your clan can raid and win at your own base you should be able to use that base no matter how unbalanced it is, as long as you've proven it's possible to win there
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ywis is not online. ywis
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03 Apr 2016 03:35 PM
It's not where they win at, it's who they win against.

Wining against ST of WIJ's is a very high achievement, winning against some noobs is not.

You completely omit out this point.
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bunnybunn263 is not online. bunnybunn263
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03 Apr 2016 03:41 PM
In my group, I usually keep the base extremely easy to encourage small/new clans by letting them win more easily. It also keeps my members' noses out of the air. If the base is buffed due to war, it gives members a good mindset to know the base will be easier to defend rather than harder.

But of course, difficult bases are good.
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Vauron is not online. Vauron
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03 Apr 2016 03:43 PM
yeah tbh it depends on what members you're up against; no point establishing a challenging fort with a op group because that op group isn't utilising more of their potential, which make defending for them seem easy

hence why VAK is bashed on for having SMO be as it is, or kaznan, idk which is worse but whatev
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BiologicalCorruption is online. BiologicalCorruption
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03 Apr 2016 03:44 PM
"every clan should shut down and [explicit] a [explicit] while they're at it"
-ShatteredRealites120

buy my clothes xD
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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03 Apr 2016 03:45 PM
if you did this it would kill clans off even more

forts need to be easier - not harder
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og_goebbels is not online. og_goebbels
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03 Apr 2016 03:46 PM
SMO is a fort that requires skill, communication and team coordination, which can be learned in trainings, but most trainings are just "do this obby/fight this dude" without any actual learning being done, so yeah - I think SMO is a good standard for forts.
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Lord_Vydrak is not online. Lord_Vydrak
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03 Apr 2016 03:46 PM
I'll respond to some of these in a little bit, need to finish something
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AwsomeManSkate is not online. AwsomeManSkate
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03 Apr 2016 03:46 PM
^ here comes the copy paste from the vaks
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LordMiltonious is not online. LordMiltonious
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03 Apr 2016 03:48 PM
lol awesome., I respect sovietz opinion.

A-team, aww don't try to play us, A-team.
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assassin_lord is not online. assassin_lord
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03 Apr 2016 03:51 PM
no clan forts should be fun and enjoyable, they're supposed to attract raiders and new members not a cs:go match.

not to mention vak is going to use 15v15 to their advantage in discussing war terms now, making clan forts like that would only make with dealing with wars terms more tedious than they are and continue the decline in the activity of this community.
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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03 Apr 2016 03:53 PM
vydrak's mentality is the embodiment of everything that kills groups

assassin is absolutely right
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DystraTala is not online. DystraTala
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03 Apr 2016 03:55 PM
I think there should be some variation.

SMO is a fort that I appreciate because it's viewed as an "ultimate challenge" and provides for a tough raid for even the most experienced raid-teams, one mistake equals failure.

However, not every clan is able to organize raid-teams skilled enough to put up a fight at SMO, so of course there should be bases that are less difficult for clans like these.

It's pretty nice being able to select what "difficulty" you want to play at when it comes to choosing bases.


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Vauron is not online. Vauron
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03 Apr 2016 03:58 PM
@dystra, i actually agree with that, but then you got to put it into context of a war and the bases variations of layouts and difficulty; it's like VAK warring LS, unless if they were to make actual updates to their base which makes the fairness somewhat = to LS's base, then it's not really something in which should be deemed something to do.
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Lord_Vydrak is not online. Lord_Vydrak
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03 Apr 2016 04:42 PM
@Ywis

That's not exactly an achievement since winning at Indigo is always the same, once you've camped the terminal with a substantial amount of people you've secured yourself a win. Although I wish it were this way, people don't look at the server list and get the idea that they should raid the one with the most experienced defenders, it actually almost always ends up being the opposite.

@Assassinlord

You can't possibly be ignorant enough to try and put that on VAK when Frost Clan has an unmatched history of failed negotiations, not to mention hardly anyone outside of your group enjoys raiding Fort Wolf so to think that you know anything about enjoyable or fun forts is amusing. SMO averages more visits from raiders in a couple of days than FW2 does in a whole week rofl, please don't try to imply SMO is ruining clans

@Dystra

I actually agree with that, it's also worth mentioning that the only reason people put up with SMO is because it's VAK. I honestly doubt that if any other clan used SMO people would be bothered to try and win there at all
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Nederlandz is not online. Nederlandz
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03 Apr 2016 04:45 PM
"Frost Clan has an unmatched history of failed negotiations"

yeah dude vak adding in updates to their fort to use as "negotiations" and "compromises" was really fc's fault

or when rat used refused to negotiate on anything unless we gave them 3 weeks of replica (btw this was after we slaughtered sierra)
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Khadrak is not online. Khadrak
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03 Apr 2016 04:46 PM
the fort for my clan will be a little more challenging but fair.
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assassin_lord is not online. assassin_lord
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03 Apr 2016 04:53 PM
"You can't possibly be ignorant enough to try and put that on VAK when Frost Clan has an unmatched history of failed negotiations, not to mention hardly anyone outside of your group enjoys raiding Fort Wolf so to think that you know anything about enjoyable or fun forts is amusing. SMO averages more visits from raiders in a couple of days than FW2 does in a whole week rofl, please don't try to imply SMO is ruining clans"

don't know why i expected an actual answer out of you.

first of all, vak's failed negotiations and foul play during war is unmatched - fc has no history of foul play at all and any negotiations that have failed were because of the other clan being unreasonable, not fc. (not to mention the only 2 times that has happened is with rat and vak)

second, fc gets visits all the time because fc enjoys it's own fort and we patrol it nonstop.

third, you can't use 1 clan that i'm in as an example of how forts are used by the community as a whole

fourth,

Visits

97K+ - visits at FW2 on dignatio's profile (where it used to be hosted but was recently moved)



Visits

27K+ - visits at SMO on imperialvaktovia's profile where SMO has been hosted at fort a VERY long time.

keep acting like you know anything though!

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