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Re: Is anyone here a creationist?

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FrigidSloth is not online. FrigidSloth
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23 Mar 2016 04:10 PM
Curious as to whom, and also why do you believe in such a lucrative idea, that has zero evidence other than the book of Genesis (I'm not that into religion so correct me if that part is wrong? I enjoy learning things :>)

How can one person be so (Ignorant?) that they resort to abandoning a scientific theory which has strong evidence supporting it, that has not yet been disproved (and I doubt it ever will be disproved)

And I understand that "it's just a theory" and all, but, you can't pull that card when creationism only has a book stating that "it happened" with no proof or evidence?

I'm open to debate this, not trying to attack the people who believe it, sorry if it comes across as such, more trying to discuss the belief, and I'm not going to engage in a flame war either, I'm attempting to do this logically without the use of the strawman fallacy, or ad hominem or any other fallacies.

Honestly really want to discuss/debate this :^)

in b4 flame
in b4 hate
in b4 illogical & irrelevant points made against me
in b4 people think im tryna flame

pls be srs about this guys i just want to debate :(



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AlcatrazDweller is not online. AlcatrazDweller
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23 Mar 2016 04:10 PM
edgy

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billiondollarsmile98 is not online. billiondollarsmile98
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23 Mar 2016 04:12 PM
Misguided child, when you look at it from a logical perspective, creation is the only plausible answer.


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EmperorRyzoft is not online. EmperorRyzoft
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23 Mar 2016 04:15 PM
Misguided child, when you look at it from a logical perspective, creation is the only plausible answer. [2]


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FrigidSloth is not online. FrigidSloth
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23 Mar 2016 04:16 PM
4 week old human embryos have 12 vertebrae tail-like appendages where our coccyx (tail bone)

Examining animals with tails and animals we believe we descended from (Alligators, Apes, etc.) we find that we share that trait.

However in humans we are programmed to have it die off before we are 12 weeks old (not too in touch with my biology, it's about there though)

We also have a third eyelid which is evidence we descended from reptiles too.

Creationism is not even close to being a plausible answer.

The fact that Creationists, believe and try and get school (In America at least) to stop teaching Evolutionism (Darwin's Theory of Evolution) and to only teach Creationism is absolutely ABSURD.

You're basically saying "let's indoctrinate our kids to believe what we want and make sure they can't make their own logical choice" (logical, whether they follow faith or science)

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UntoTheBreach is not online. UntoTheBreach
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23 Mar 2016 04:18 PM
Misguided child, when you look at it from a logical perspective, creation is the only plausible answer. [3]


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FrigidSloth is not online. FrigidSloth
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23 Mar 2016 04:20 PM
Okay, so I see people are being trolls and not taking this debate seriously, if anyone actually wants to discuss instead of being ignorant then come forth, otherwise, please do keep quiet (not that I can stop you lol, but you're just bumping this thread?)



Also, made some errors, so let me fix that:

where our coccyx is*
when the embryo is 12 weeks old* (not when a human is out of the their mother for 12 weeks, lol)
actually believe and try to get schools (in America at least)*




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AlcatrazDweller is not online. AlcatrazDweller
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23 Mar 2016 04:21 PM
you cant be that smart if you're looking for a debate on creationism on c&g lol

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FrigidSloth is not online. FrigidSloth
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23 Mar 2016 04:24 PM
@Alcatraz, you're must be new here, some people are actually able to debate "sensitive" topics maturely, politics and religion can be, but most people are immature, such as those three who state that creationism is the only answer, without actually posting evidence?



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UntoTheBreach is not online. UntoTheBreach
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23 Mar 2016 04:25 PM
"such as those three who state that creationism is the only answer, without actually posting evidence?"

It's more that I thought it was funny and I didn't feel like playing devil's(kek) advocate. I'd appreciate if you didn't call me immature.


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x_o is not online. x_o
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23 Mar 2016 04:26 PM
Yeah, I believe in creationism.

"How can one person be so (Ignorant?) that they resort to abandoning a scientific theory which has strong evidence supporting it"

I haven't seen any 'strong evidence supporting it'


"And I understand that "it's just a theory" and all, but, you can't pull that card when creationism only has a book stating that "it happened" with no proof or evidence?"

There's a lot of archeological evidence supporting different events in the Bible. You also can't think some parts of the Bible are fiction while others are fact, that doesn't work. So if some parts are real, you have to believe everything, including how everything was created.

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AlcatrazDweller is not online. AlcatrazDweller
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23 Mar 2016 04:26 PM
im not new

its very rare that a serious debate happens on c&g lmao

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UntoTheBreach is not online. UntoTheBreach
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23 Mar 2016 04:28 PM
"There's a lot of archeological evidence supporting different events in the Bible. You also can't think some parts of the Bible are fiction while others are fact, that doesn't work. So if some parts are real, you have to believe everything, including how everything was created."

Saying you have to believe in all of it if some of it is true is ludicrous. Jesus was a proven historical figure, but that doesn't immediately prove he's the son of God. Besides, like you said, plenty of events from the Bible occurred, but the evidence supporting them would indicate that the Bible's telling of the stories were very much exaggerated.


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shrauger is not online. shrauger
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23 Mar 2016 04:29 PM
We were made to be together ;)

anyway, the topic on creationism, it's as good as a explaintion as evolution considering we barely have witnessed evolution ourselves (useful mutations take ~15 years for "germs") but we can't prove evolution. it makes sense, but it's as provable as gravity.
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23 Mar 2016 04:30 PM
yes


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UntoTheBreach is not online. UntoTheBreach
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23 Mar 2016 04:30 PM
"but it's as provable as gravity."

Not to nitpick, but gravity is, in fact, proven. That's why it's the laws of gravity as opposed to the theory of gravity.


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23 Mar 2016 04:32 PM
"Saying you have to believe in all of it if some of it is true is ludicrous."

More along the lines of it doesn't work if you don't believe all of it.

For example, if you believe everything except the miracles, you can't really believe in something like Jesus coming back from the dead. Which basically destroys the entire point of the Bible (How God rescued everybody from sin).


"Jesus was a proven historical figure, but that doesn't immediately prove he's the son of God. Besides, like you said, plenty of events from the Bible occurred, but the evidence supporting them would indicate that the Bible's telling of the stories were very much exaggerated."

Mind giving examples?

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UntoTheBreach is not online. UntoTheBreach
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23 Mar 2016 04:34 PM
"For example, if you believe everything except the miracles, you can't really believe in something like Jesus coming back from the dead."

I don't believe that he came back from the dead. What I know is that he was a Jewish prophet in the Middle East 2 millenia ago.

"Mind giving examples?"

Burden of proof is on you for making the original argument, my friend. I'll work on finding sources.


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FrigidSloth is not online. FrigidSloth
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23 Mar 2016 04:36 PM
I mean, I put in there with them two as I'd rather debate than have someone just regurgitate crap posts that mean nothing :(

Like, I've seen you around and you aren't but I lumped you in the generalisation because I am looking for debate and yeah :'(

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(The following is for x_o, and anyone sharing is points)


"I haven't seen any 'strong evidence supporting it'"

Literally posted it in response to billiondollarsmile, but if you want to you know, ignore that, then that's also fine.

We have an unnecessary tendon in our forearms (or some of us do), take both your hands, put them on a flat surface and take your pinky to your thumb, then raise your hand up, if you have a tendon connecting to your thumb, then congratulations you found evidence we evolved from apes.

This tendon is believed to help grasp and grip objects, as you can see Apes and those who swing from trees, need this tendon so they don't fall.

In Humans, this tendon doesn't do much for grip or anything at all, it's like the third eyelid.



Oh and then goosebumps too, but you know, I won't go too far into Biology.


(The above also applies to Shrauger who believes we haven't witness Evolution, yet fossils exist and we share most of our DNA with apes)




"There's a lot of archeological evidence supporting different events in the Bible. You also can't think some parts of the Bible are fiction while others are fact, that doesn't work. So if some parts are real, you have to believe everything, including how everything was created."

This entire statement is completely false. You cannot say if Q occurred therefore P also occurred. That's not how this premise happens, you have NO PROOF that Jesus was the son of God, or that he in fact healed anyone. All there is, is a book stating it happened without actual evidence.

It's like trying to say an illiterate, infanticidal, arabic man, was approached by an Angel and was able to write everything he said down perfectly without error.

Yes, Muhammed did exist and there is evidence supporting his existence and that he was an historical figure around the 7th century, but that does not mean that he was approached by an Angel whatsoever.



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FrigidSloth is not online. FrigidSloth
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23 Mar 2016 04:38 PM
"Burden of proof"

Finally, someone understands this - I'm attempting to keep away from those type of points but I just like addressing everything, oh well.



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shrauger is not online. shrauger
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23 Mar 2016 04:40 PM
No no, you just have a disagreeing point of view. You're not nitpicking.
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FrigidSloth is not online. FrigidSloth
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23 Mar 2016 04:47 PM
If only using @username alerted a user that I mentioned them in a thread :/

looking at you x_o xD



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23 Mar 2016 04:48 PM
"We have an unnecessary tendon in our forearms (or some of us do), take both your hands, put them on a flat surface and take your pinky to your thumb, then raise your hand up, if you have a tendon connecting to your thumb, then congratulations you found evidence we evolved from apes."

"You cannot say if Q occurred therefore P also occurred." (Or something similar idk)

Just because we have similarities to apes means we evolved from them? I honestly don't see how that's proof.


"This entire statement is completely false. You cannot say if Q occurred therefore P also occurred. That's not how this premise happens, you have NO PROOF that Jesus was the son of God, or that he in fact healed anyone. All there is, is a book stating it happened without actual evidence."

Yeah, it's mostly just a matter of faith.

When you look at something like a car, a building, or a computer, which makes more sense: "Wow that thing must have evolved from a tiny wagon over a long period of time." Or, "Wow, someone intelligent spent time designing this thoughtfully."

(Hopefully the second one makes more sense, if not then you're weird okay)


I look at the world the same way; it makes more sense to me that everything was designed by an intelligent god, not random chance.

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23 Mar 2016 04:51 PM
oh I missed your post at the top

"The fact that Creationists, believe and try and get school (In America at least) to stop teaching Evolutionism (Darwin's Theory of Evolution) and to only teach Creationism is absolutely ABSURD."

Replacing teaching of evolution with creationism is absurd. Teaching multiple theories isn't.

"You're basically saying "let's indoctrinate our kids to believe what we want and make sure they can't make their own logical choice" (logical, whether they follow faith or science)""

tbh it seems like schools are doing that already but maybe it's just me

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FrigidSloth is not online. FrigidSloth
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23 Mar 2016 04:58 PM
"Just because we have similarities to apes means we evolved from them? I honestly don't see how that's proof"

We share most of our DNA with Apes, if that's not suggestive enough, nor strong enough evidence then I don't see the point in debating over that point.

Sure, you make a valid point, however - once again, there is evidence supporting the theory of evolution, and not the theory of creation.



"When you look at something like a car, a building, or a computer, which makes more sense: "Wow that thing must have evolved from a tiny wagon over a long period of time." Or, "Wow, someone intelligent spent time designing this thoughtfully.""

Not sure your point here? Technology evolves? Like most things do?



"not random chance."

Going off of biology and being a straw man, but I feel like I should address this:

There are planets that the Hubble telescope has observed that have potential for life, they have the correct atmosphere (IE, the optimal distance away from their sun, like Earth) and are of similar sizes, there are some which are bigger (but inhabitable due to gravity), and these aren't just "random chances", as two is coincidental but three is a pattern, and there are around 3, I believe, not sure?

Soz for strawman







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