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Re: My overall opinion on all of this ticket stuff.

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CloneTrooper1019 is not online. CloneTrooper1019
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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15 Mar 2016 03:38 PM
I don't really know how to start this discussion.

A lot of you guys will immediately shoot me down and disregard me just because I'm a developer. However, I understand why you guys are angry about all of this, and I want to just talk about what's happening to Roblox.

Roblox is going through a major transition right now - from a social network focused on kids, to a developer network focused on creativity and people who are passionate about creating awesome stuff.

This has been slowly but surely happening since 2013. You guys have been bullying them for such a long time, that they haven't been able to move their platform forward because no one is willing to accept change. Therefore, the only way to move forward is to just do it, and those who are going to whine and quit can just leave, because they are only part of the problem. TL;DR - I don' t care about avatars.
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What I do care about though, is the future of game development for NBC users. This is something that I brought up concern to on the devforum, and I'm still debating about it.

Here's what I said:
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What I want to know is, how will someone with NBC be able to draw attention to their game?
If advertisements require robux, does that technically mean you'll have to buy robux just to actually advertise the game, and thus basically forcing NBC developers to get BC in the first place?

I think Roblox needs to introduce some kind of daily featured game thing, where users can submit games they've made to help them spark an audience and maintain themselves.
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According to Quenty, they did address this:

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Q: How can new Developers get started without Tickets?

ROBLOX is a place where many game developers get their start. We are committed to making sure new developers get their games discovered. To that end we have created a new email address – featuredgames@roblox.com – for you to submit your up and coming games to. These submissions will be reviewed by our marketing team and submissions that meet our editorial standards could end up in the featured games sort. We’ve also identified the top ways our developers are making money in their games and provided this information to you in the Developer section of the site. Soon we’ll release more templates for budding designers to use when creating clothes and items.
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Alright that's cool and all, but you may be asking "What about the 90% tax?"

Yeah, this is bothering me too, and we're debating on the developer forums about it. I'm hoping Roblox will at least reduce it to something like 60-70%

Here's what I had to say:

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Moving forward, I guess it doesn't really make a difference because NBC users can't even DevEx, and Roblox should be more focused on developing rather than the social aspect.

But it just seems kinda cruel that Roblox is applying that much of a tax on users who aren't paying them money.

Its like making a guy on the street get paid 10% of minimum wage with his job, just because he doesn't own a house. He should be able to buy clothes and things that he wants without being heavily taxed for his creation.

And uh... sigh yeah I don't know.
This change in its entirety is a game changer.
Its basically throwing the social concept of Roblox under the bus, and focusing it entirely on making money on games, rather than just doing it for fun to make a cool character or something.
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So there's my whole opinion on the matter in a hand basket.
Please feel free to respond and tell me what you think in regards to all of this.
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Coolcreeper14 is not online. Coolcreeper14
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15 Mar 2016 03:40 PM
can u give me the shortened version


you just got catfish'd
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LLGlo is not online. LLGlo
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15 Mar 2016 03:41 PM
I doubt they would ever make it where you can get daily robux or anything like that.
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Coolcreeper14 is not online. Coolcreeper14
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15 Mar 2016 03:42 PM
but yeah clone is right, its hard for a new delevoper to start hogging attention


you just got catfish'd
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Apexitrax is not online. Apexitrax
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15 Mar 2016 03:43 PM
I like the idea of submitting your game to the marketing team.


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GamerzToon is not online. GamerzToon
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15 Mar 2016 03:43 PM
a dev even admits that roblox is doing nothing but whiteknighting for developers and doesn't care about their general player base
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pook03 is not online. pook03
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15 Mar 2016 03:45 PM
if u havent seen da bloog poost
http://blog.roblox.com/2016/03/saying-goodbye-to-tickets/

So now it's virtually impossible to become a popular dev without BC or by luckily being noticed by the marketing team of roblox on an email. This IS a massive issue, as someone could flood the inbox of the email and make it virtually impossible to view all the mail. And a game would probably never get noticed EVER due to the chances.

It's a 1/10000 to be noticed by the marketing team (assuming that the inbox flood doesn't happen)
and then you add on the chance of the user joining your game
1/375 (at minimal)
2/3 (at minimal)
that the user will even have bc/robux to buy anything

that adds to a total of
1/ and a really big number.

And assuming that the user even buys a gamepass or hat you've created, there's no way to get ROBUX mow. And now the only way to get a virtual item is to have R+ tell you that the achieve gift is a thing, (Which is the only way to find items that aren't onsale that is made by roblox). So you can go to an oder hangout and od with 10 people to get this gift. Or buy bc for a month.

And no place traffic = bad. no daily income = more riots on nbc get 1 robux a day. No regular user will like this, and not a lot of devs INCLUDING me. Because this encourages users to buy BC, and encourages devs to create gui's that take up half your screen with gamepasses, or make a free modeled game.

And worst of all, Achieve gifts WILL NOT cover for it, since only certain games will have them, only a select number of popular games, depending even IF the hats look good. Now the wealth gap will INCREASE dramatically on all fronts, to cross it you need to either buy a auto-renewal BC membership or be successful in trading, or hat creating, OR face the one in one million chance to be noticed and get your game on the front page. And if I thought it couldn't get any worse. sadasdssaadsasd


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JohnnyMosaic is not online. JohnnyMosaic
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15 Mar 2016 03:46 PM
Guys this can still be alright, if you rember how they said users will be able to create hats?So this can still be good.
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CloneTrooper1019 is not online. CloneTrooper1019
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15 Mar 2016 03:48 PM
@Gamerz

Yes, they don't, at least not as much.
They are a business. They want us to make games, and they want you to play them.
But without developers, there are no games to play, and therefore there are no players.
Its a fact, not greed.

That's just the reality of the situation right now.
I'm not saying it's what I want it to be, but keep in mind that anyone can become a developer if they put their mind to it.

If you want to forum all day, and just make & play basic games with your friends, that's fine. No one is going to stop you from doing that.
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CloneTrooper1019 is not online. CloneTrooper1019
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15 Mar 2016 03:49 PM
@pook

I'd like to believe that Roblox will dedicate themselves to making sure that good games are getting the attention they deserve.
They will invest in having a pipeline system to make sure more and more games that deserve to be featured are featured. Its not just going to be an exclusive club house where only the best of the best get noticed.
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pook03 is not online. pook03
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15 Mar 2016 03:50 PM
So will they make ads for games? Or something?


http://www.roblox.com/ICON-AdminEgg-item?id=376900452
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otub is not online. otub
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15 Mar 2016 03:50 PM
wut would happen if ur 4 hat hats were gone ;)
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Nulerite is not online. Nulerite
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15 Mar 2016 03:50 PM
The immaturity with this is so dumb to me.

ATR can never accept change. Sure, sometimes, their updates / stuff are stupid, i.e. EH2015, but this makes sense.


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CloneTrooper1019 is not online. CloneTrooper1019
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15 Mar 2016 03:51 PM
No, your game would get put onto the featured category on the front page.
That category can rake up hundreds of players.
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GamerzToon is not online. GamerzToon
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15 Mar 2016 03:51 PM
@clone

what you're saying is right and i agree

i dont mean to start an argument but screwing over the general player base will result in the same thing

no player base=developers failing

developers failing=roblox as a platform failing
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21st_Century is not online. 21st_Century
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15 Mar 2016 03:51 PM
JOIN TODAY SO WE CAN REMEMBER TICKETS

The OFFICIAL tickets memorial group.

http://www.roblox.com/My/Groups.aspx?gid=2789896 !!!

This group is neutral and is not for or against this upcoming change its all about sharing memorys and a group holder to remember it.


Join today to remember tickets. http://www.roblox.com/My/Groups.aspx?gid=2789896
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Slingshot_Junkie is not online. Slingshot_Junkie
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15 Mar 2016 03:52 PM
To the issue of new devs not being able to get their game out there, my response would be: if you make a good enough game, and you send it to us, we will definitely feature it.

I do spotlights and I hand pick the ones we do. There are tons of games I want to do but we can't do because the games just aren't functional enough, or they don't have enough features.

If you're an up-and-coming dev out there, and you want to get noticed, your game has to be functional and have features. If it does, you will be recognized by us.
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CloneTrooper1019 is not online. CloneTrooper1019
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15 Mar 2016 03:52 PM
@Gamer

The player base isn't going to change, its just going to shift.
The people who can't accept change will just leave, and the right audience will move right in.

Ultimately I hope this helps restore Roblox's reputation outside of its own userbase.
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Clurny is not online. Clurny
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15 Mar 2016 03:53 PM
ugh. i wish i could see more egg hunt hype threads
i dont even mind this issue, hearing there are gonna be some "achievements" for robux regarding your behavior.


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Nulerite is not online. Nulerite
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15 Mar 2016 03:53 PM
The crap about new devs not being able to be noticed is just silly.

If you're competent at developing, you can be a total nobody and you WILL get front page as long as you make a decent product FOR the front page.

If you are not competent, it doesn't matter if you are BC or not, you will NOT get front page.

If you are not lazy and you are competent you can easily get people begging to throw 40k, 60k in for ads.


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xGameboy2222 is not online. xGameboy2222
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15 Mar 2016 03:54 PM
@Clonetrooper But there is no issue to developers of adding decimal robux, which would not be inflated simply because of trolls.

The removal of daily currency was needed though, even though I am an NBC.


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BladeNext is not online. BladeNext
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15 Mar 2016 03:56 PM
I agree with much.


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GamerzToon is not online. GamerzToon
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15 Mar 2016 03:58 PM
you got me there
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Matthais5 is not online. Matthais5
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15 Mar 2016 04:00 PM
Yeah, it's kinda just like ROBLOX saying "eh social stuff can come [n+1] years later"
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EpicLadySponge is online. EpicLadySponge
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15 Mar 2016 04:00 PM
Meanwhile... Awkward still remains on sale! Everyone manages to care so much about some useless tickets when I still want ROBLOX to take Awkward off sale.

No capes! | TAKE THIS SIGN SO WE CAN TAKE AWKWARD OFF SALE! http://www.roblox.com/Protest-Sign-No-more-Awkward-item?id=374146899
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