Seviro
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:19 PM |
8:54 PM - SpiferGaming: Hey sev: 8:54 PM - SpiferGaming: Sorry about the forums and all that, I'm really pissed off RN 8:55 PM - SpiferGaming: I just want to let you know the full story, just facts 8:55 PM - SpiferGaming is now Online. 8:55 PM - SpiferGaming: I was getting ready to quit, and still had the group 8:56 PM - SpiferGaming: I approached Noah on steam a while back asking if he would hold the group for me - there was an agreement between us. 8:57 PM - SpiferGaming: He would find a capable leader, and if he still had the group if I asked for it back, he'd give it back to me 8:57 PM - SpiferGaming: Fleetcom comes and asks for the group back to retire it 8:57 PM - SpiferGaming: Noah learns that if he gives the group back to me, it would be retired 8:58 PM - SpiferGaming: I made it clear to him that I wanted the group back 8:58 PM - SpiferGaming: He chose to give it back to you instead 8:58 PM - SpiferGaming: If you'd like, I can screenshot our conversation and send it to you via kik.
This is r_y, previous owner of Fleetcom.
The initial agreement was that r_y wanted to give up on Fleetcom, and that he wanted to find a suitable leader if he quit. That's why Dreygonthus accepted the group in the first place. Additionally, in this agreement, it's apparent that if r_y wanted the group back, it would be because he wanted to lead it again, >NOT< because r_y wanted to shut it down. If he wanted to do that originally, he would have done it by himself.
Dreygonthus only wanted to accept this because of the prospect of finding a new leader of Fleetcom and to respect his original wishes. That's what I like to do with things; help. In no way have I done anything malicious. However, the reason r_y was not returned Fleetcom was because he quickly turned around on his idea of giving the group to Dreygonthus, and it was clear that all he wanted was to shut it down.
This has happened before. I had obtained Fleetcom from campy, and tried to find a suitable leader. Some time after, the user fleetcom wanted the group back. I respected his wishes. This resulted in Fleetcom as a group going absolutely nowhere, and directly led to the predicament it is in now.
Now, picture RAT. Imagine if somebody as ancient as stealthmatt came back and wanted the group, or even CJ. Their claim to wanting the group back was that they "didn't want to find a worthy leader," and they just wanted to shut it down. They, overall recently, have done nothing beneficial for the group and despite their historic claims, no longer have any right to ask for RAT from Polymorphic.
According to Bloodborne, fleetcom has given up on the idea of Fleetcom being a decent clan a long time ago. He simply doesn't care at this point, and that has been apparent in the past year with the group.
What I want to do with Fleetcom is what was stated: find a decent leader. However, I am not intent on just giving the group to one individual and then letting it rot that way. Instead of that, those who wish to "lead" the group can do so at Commander in Chief - a de facto leader rank - while receiving counsel and direction from the Council of Advisors: a group of trusted veterans and individuals who can provide the best guidance to the leaders of the group. This would include people like r_y, fleetcom, and Bloodborne, so forth.
This still gives the veterans the say they desire and gives some "fresh blood" a chance to revitalize Fleetcom. It's simply selfish that, only because of the founder's wishes who has not done anything for the group recently, that the group should be shut down and a chance denied to any deserving leader.
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:21 PM |
Cap4Prez
"Your knowledge of astronomy disgusts me." -LordIntense |
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:24 PM |
just give him back his group honestly
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:26 PM |
I'll be the Commander in Chief? That was the general consensus before the idea to retire the group was had.
If needed I'll even start my own presidential campaign. oh imagine the speeches |
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Seviro
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:28 PM |
I see no issue with it, Mori.
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Seviro
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:30 PM |
And sure, if Fleetcom doesn't go anywhere then we can shut it down. But I'm not going to immediately deny anyone a chance simply because one person wants it to be retired immediately.
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Toxenz
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:30 PM |
"not done anything for the group recently"
Who exactly HAS done something for it recently? Fact is this group represents Fleets childhood like a certain clan does for all of us. If you think you have a right to that more than him you're a complete doodle. |
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Seviro
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:31 PM |
"Who exactly HAS done something for it recently?"
That's mostly the reason why no one has the right to demand it be shutdown right now.
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Valhalas
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:31 PM |
| Fleetcom used to be so nice. |
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:32 PM |
CaptainGuyFieri for President!
We need to build a wall at Springvale to keep the Vaktovians out.
It will be terrific, trust me.
Take a look at VOID. They built a wall at Labs and you don't see any Vaktovians in VOID, do you?
Exactly. We're losing to VAKTOVIA. We need to MAKE FLEETCOM GREAT AGAIN!
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Toxenz
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:32 PM |
| Can I ask what your business is with the group even is? o_o |
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Seviro
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:34 PM |
I don't have business with the group. That much is true.
But neither do many people. This is a point where outsiders are necessary for the group's progression.
All I want to do is help.
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Inductive
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:35 PM |
Didn't Drey have an agreement with R_y, namely that Drey would give it back to R_y if he wanted it back?
Isn't this just a long justification for breaking a promise? Because Drey didn't give it back he basically stole the group, what you're claiming to do doesn't even come close to justifying that. All you're doing is aiding in that.
Knowing you, you'll either 1. Sit on it until it dies forever. 2. Hand it over to a lackey. 3. Shut it down. |
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Gorblud
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:36 PM |
you're trying to give help where it really hasn't been requested
clans shutdown, it's not that much of a tragedy and if people want to try their hand at leading they can always make their own group
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Seviro
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:37 PM |
Hey Inductive before you act like you know what you're talking about keep in mind I denied giving the group to Mydrekk, a candidate for leadership who has been loyal to me for a long time.
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Toxenz
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:37 PM |
The only people who have business with it are Fleet and Blood, if you admit that then why are you acting like you're doing some sort of righteous act by holding it from them?
Keeping the groups corpse alive won't help the clan world, let people make their own spinoffs, that's real inspiration. You won't ever get anything authentic from some new kid running the group you're holding. |
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Inductive
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:38 PM |
| Fair enough, Seviro. However, if I recall, you were completely against the idea of reviving TGI in any form. This is basically a mirror of that, yet you're all for doing everything possible to keep it alive- why is that, exactly? |
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Seviro
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:40 PM |
I won't keep it as a "corpse" if it stays as one for a very long time. If the people who want to revive Fleetcom fail, then I'll let it go.
Let's not forget to mention there are several people who were supposed to receive leadership in Fleetcom. It's also wrong to deny them a chance, isn't it?
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:41 PM |
| Why isn't Chris speaking for himself? |
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Seviro
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:42 PM |
TGI and Fleetcom are two different circumstances.
Castellian shut down TGI not too long after the attempts to revive it. I didn't really agree with that, but hey, it already happened and it was no use trying to go against that.
This is a case where the group was supposed to be passed down, then wasn't, then was meant to be given to a new leader, and then people changed their mind again, and now people demand it's shut down?
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:42 PM |
i just feel like in a group where two key figures (if not more) want it shut down, the effort to continue keeping it up shouldn't be there. its going to take much more effort to keep it alive than its worth, unfortunately. it's like keeping a brain dead person on life support, why would you?
go for it and all if you feel like you want to go against these people, and apparently dishonor an alleged promise that r_y would get it back if he asked for it to try to keep it stable but in this situation it really isnt worth it.
inspire people to create new things, dont keep the old thing alive if its not wanted. |
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Seviro
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:42 PM |
Well considering everyone is giving me flak and not Noah, I think it's right for me to speak for myself.
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:43 PM |
| Seviro, I mean in terms of why Chris isn't explaining his own actions and you are explaining his? |
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Toxenz
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:44 PM |
Let's not forget to mention there are several people who were supposed to receive leadership in Fleetcom. It's also wrong to deny them a chance, isn't it?
No you dense MFer it isn't wrong because it's Fleet's call what should happen. |
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Seviro
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| 08 Mar 2016 09:44 PM |
@damien
It went from r_y giving the group to Noah because he wanted it to have a future, and it's clear that if he wanted it back it would be because he wanted to lead again. Nowhere was it mentioned that r_y would give it up and then immediately demand it be shutdown. That wasn't really part of the agreement.
If r_y wanted to lead again, sure. That agreement would be honored. But it's selfish to deny people in the group the chance to revive Fleetcom because fleetcom changed his mind and wants it shut down suddenly.
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