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Re: Safe Spaces and Trigger Words have something in common

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phoniex is not online. phoniex
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04 Mar 2016 06:31 PM
They were originally only meant for victims of very intense trauma, but now they're almost exclusively used to silence conversation and block opposing ideas.

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Liara_Tsoni is not online. Liara_Tsoni
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04 Mar 2016 06:37 PM
bad post OP
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ChuzzyBuddy is not online. ChuzzyBuddy
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04 Mar 2016 06:39 PM
@Liara_Tsoni How is this a bad post?
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Liara_Tsoni is not online. Liara_Tsoni
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04 Mar 2016 06:52 PM
'How is this a bad post?'

1. no mention of how psychology defines a trigger as anything which /triggers/ an unnatural reflexive response - it is unrelated to trauma itself, but through the resultant mental issues that may (or may not) come with it. couple that with our understanding of psychology growing every day and of course you're going to see an increase in the number of references to triggers

2. apparent belief that safe spaces are inherently bad purely because they limit free speech, a right which is already grossly misunderstood by many

3. apparent belief that all people affected by triggers want more safe spaces solely because they want to silence arguments and not because, yknow, they're safe spaces where they can choose to be free of triggers

4. no mention of how these misconceptions and resultant mockery of triggers and safe spaces contributes to negligent treatment towards people legitimately affected by them, especially trauma survivors such as myself that OP supposedly believes should be the only people worthy of help (in fact i'm not sure OP DOES believe that - i know that from personal experience it may very well be the case that our existence is only relevant when it serves to further their arguments)
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WrathOfTheElvhen is not online. WrathOfTheElvhen
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04 Mar 2016 06:58 PM
^Basically everything Liara_Tsoni said
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Aveeo is not online. Aveeo
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04 Mar 2016 07:00 PM
IDK, I mean, I've experienced some stuff before (being psychologically manipulated, bullied, and threatened in 7th grade, watching an aunt overdose and almost die, watching a grandmother go through Alzheimer's and eventually die, coping with my father's illness, etc.), but I feel like I have learned to cope with it and suppress it.

Or perhaps I haven't had much happen in my life. Perhaps I have had it too easy and I just don't understand.

Respect the science!
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Liara_Tsoni is not online. Liara_Tsoni
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04 Mar 2016 07:02 PM
'IDK, I mean, I've experienced some stuff before (being psychologically manipulated, bullied, and threatened in 7th grade, watching an aunt overdose and almost die, watching a grandmother go through Alzheimer's and eventually die, coping with my father's illness, etc.), but I feel like I have learned to cope with it and suppress it.

Or perhaps I haven't had much happen in my life. Perhaps I have had it too easy and I just don't understand.'

there's no such thing as having it too easy when it comes to trauma

people just react to trauma in different ways
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phoniex is not online. phoniex
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04 Mar 2016 07:05 PM
@Liara

Most "safe spaces" nowadays are, in fact, for people to hide from opinions that they don't like, which is not desirable. You're in public, and if you're going to put out your opinions, you have to expect them to be challenged. That's how our society grows. We only got to where we are because people challenged other people's opinions and traditions. Silencing them will just stagnate societal growth.

Also, I take offense to being accused of not caring about trauma survivors. I believe that mental conditions in general are often overlooked and mistreated, especially in America. And I can attest to this myself as someone who has a mental condition.

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Aveeo is not online. Aveeo
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04 Mar 2016 07:08 PM
"there's no such thing as having it too easy when it comes to trauma

people just react to trauma in different ways"

I never talk about anything that I have been through, and even if I do, I guess I just suppress the negative emotions associated with the memories. Perhaps that's why I have some trouble understanding triggers and safe spaces: because I react so differently to trauma.

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Fashion_Designer is not online. Fashion_Designer
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04 Mar 2016 07:10 PM
"there's no such thing as having it too easy when it comes to trauma

people just react to trauma in different ways"

I have personally met people who pretended to be mentally ill for various reasons, mainly for wanting attention, thinking they'll be the center of attention. My biological mother purposely got her self extremely obese(500-600+ lbs) for the attention from me and my other siblings and to get free medical care. People do stuff to get things going the way they want thing to go. I wouldn't be suprised if someone used "That's racist! >:(" or "You're triggering me!" to block out ideas that don't go with their view point or what ever. I've seen some lows in people man.



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Shekelman is not online. Shekelman
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04 Mar 2016 07:12 PM
trauma because someone opposes your idea
no


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Liara_Tsoni is not online. Liara_Tsoni
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04 Mar 2016 07:14 PM
'Most "safe spaces" nowadays are, in fact, for people to hide from opinions that they don't like, which is not desirable. You're in public, and if you're going to put out your opinions, you have to expect them to be challenged. That's how our society grows. We only got to where we are because people challenged other people's opinions and traditions. Silencing them will just stagnate societal growth.

Also, I take offense to being accused of not caring about trauma survivors. I believe that mental conditions in general are often overlooked and mistreated, especially in America. And I can attest to this myself as someone who has a mental condition.'

yea well maybe you should take some of your own advice because i'm sharing my opinion in a public place, and what i'm saying is that maybe you need to suck up to the fact that society isn't going to suddenly regress just because some people don't want you to joke about s*xual violence
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phoniex is not online. phoniex
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04 Mar 2016 07:17 PM
@Liara

That's a rather blatant strawman, saying that everyone who opposes the idea of safe spaces wants to tell jokes about assault. Well, I think that there should be very few limits to comedy since comedy by it's very nature is supposed to be uncomfortable, my main problem is that the idea of "safe spaces" has also shut down legitimate conversations and debates, especially in universities, which is downright insulting since universities are supposed to be places for exchanging opinions and beliefs.

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Fashion_Designer is not online. Fashion_Designer
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04 Mar 2016 07:18 PM
"Most "safe spaces" nowadays are, in fact, for people to hide from opinions that they don't like, which is not desirable. You're in public, and if you're going to put out your opinions, you have to expect them to be challenged. That's how our society grows. We only got to where we are because people challenged other people's opinions and traditions. Silencing them will just stagnate societal growth.

Also, I take offense to being accused of not caring about trauma survivors. I believe that mental conditions in general are often overlooked and mistreated, especially in America. And I can attest to this myself as someone who has a mental condition."

Two points I want to make here, so I don't monolouge here.

1.There are people who do need safe places. The sad fact is that people are abusing it for their own benefit. I would say there needs to be a standard but people can handle different levels of stress and trauma, so that's out of the picture. Maybe educate people more on triggers and such?

2.I do agree that mentally ill people are mistreated. I have been denied access to programs because "You're too mentally unstable Fashion_Designer" and these were programs that promised anyone can join. One of my social studies teacher was ranting the other day on why her son cannot join a "Super Duper Smart kids program who are freaking smarter than einstein"(Don't yell at me, I forgot what it was called) despite outscoring all the other kids that are in the program or trying to join the program. If her word is to be true, then he scored like 500% better than everyone else. This kid has autism and none of the other kids that get into this program don't have any mental disabilities or illnesses. My teacher said they said that her son "doesn't quite match the qualifications"



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SimpleWayfarer is not online. SimpleWayfarer
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04 Mar 2016 07:18 PM
Do you radfems not understand that trigger warnings are easily abused in academic settings? They obstruct intelligent and thought provoking discussion. Have you seen that video where a fire alarm was pulled during one of Ben Shapiro's speeches on a college campus? It's gotten way out of hand.

No one is entitled to freedom from dissension or disagreement.
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phoniex is not online. phoniex
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04 Mar 2016 07:20 PM
@Simple

And here I find myslef agreeing with a conservative. See, that's how skewed the traditional political spectrum has become. All over the internet, liberal atheists and conservative fundamentalists are both casting aside old rivalries to form an alliance of sorts against the politically correct culture that is threatening free speech and the public exchange of ideas.

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Aveeo is not online. Aveeo
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04 Mar 2016 07:21 PM
Safe spaces and triggers do get abused by attention-seekers, and it's unfair to people who really have experienced trauma.

Respect the science!
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phoniex is not online. phoniex
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04 Mar 2016 07:21 PM
@Avee

And that was the whole point of this thread.

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Shekelman is not online. Shekelman
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04 Mar 2016 07:22 PM
HOW do you get traumatized by words


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Fashion_Designer is not online. Fashion_Designer
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04 Mar 2016 07:22 PM
"yea well maybe you should take some of your own advice because i'm sharing my opinion in a public place, and what i'm saying is that maybe you need to suck up to the fact that society isn't going to suddenly regress just because some people don't want you to joke about s*xual violence"

I thought places owned by businesses and corporations were not public space? The Roblox forums are owned by the company of Roblox. Technically we are not conversing in public space. I could be wrong about my U.S. laws here though.


(Something happened to my automatic siggy thing :( )
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Shekelman is not online. Shekelman
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04 Mar 2016 07:22 PM
@phoniex
most liberals really don't think right
they want a magical place, but this is reality


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04 Mar 2016 07:23 PM
I have lost both parents and all 3 of my siblings.
No change in me.
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Liara_Tsoni is not online. Liara_Tsoni
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04 Mar 2016 07:23 PM
'That's a rather blatant strawman, saying that everyone who opposes the idea of safe spaces wants to tell jokes about assault.'

i'm not saying that EVERYONE who opposes the idea is like that, i'm saying that you're like that

'Well, I think that there should be very few limits to comedy since comedy by it's very nature is supposed to be uncomfortable'

aaand i'm right about it, so i mean

'my main problem is that the idea of "safe spaces" has also shut down legitimate conversations and debates, especially in universities, which is downright insulting since universities are supposed to be places for exchanging opinions and beliefs.'

you know it's entirely possible to make your own debates if you're willing to put in the effort. literally nothing is stopping you from getting some people from your local debate group, saying 'hey want to start a regular debating session with less safe spaces', then inviting them round to your house to debate to your hearts content
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SimpleWayfarer is not online. SimpleWayfarer
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04 Mar 2016 07:24 PM
"And here I find myslef agreeing with a conservative. See, that's how skewed the traditional political spectrum has become. All over the internet, liberal atheists and conservative fundamentalists are both casting aside old rivalries to form an alliance of sorts against the politically correct culture that is threatening free speech and the public exchange of ideas"

If we can only agree on one topic, I'm glad it's this one.
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Liara_Tsoni is not online. Liara_Tsoni
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04 Mar 2016 07:25 PM
'Safe spaces and triggers do get abused by attention-seekers, and it's unfair to people who really have experienced trauma.'

who cares!! if someone wants to be in a safe space and isn't doing anything wrong, i don't care if they've experienced trauma or not!! what's unfair is people like OP saying 'HEY!! YOU'RE NOT A TRAUMA SURVIVOR!! THATS IT THIS SAFE SPACE IS GETTING SHUT DOWN'
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