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Re: IS GOD REAL?

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chrisinden is not online. chrisinden
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28 Feb 2016 01:26 AM
probably not.

but what do u think?

discuss.
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DrForce is not online. DrForce
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28 Feb 2016 01:26 AM
I think yes.
Others think no.
No one should care.


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Glaceren is not online. Glaceren
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28 Feb 2016 01:27 AM
Undeniable proof
http://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=183870783
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chrisinden is not online. chrisinden
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28 Feb 2016 01:30 AM
1. The laws of logic exist.

{proof?)

a. Law of identity - something is what it is and is not what it is not. (proof?)
b. Law of non-contradiction - something cannot be what it is not. (proof?)
c. Law of excluded middle - there is no third option to a true/false statement (proof?)

2. The laws of logic are not dependent on time, space, matter, or human minds.

Okay, NONONONONO NO! Where is there any proof of this? Thats a huge assumption.

a. Not dependent on time - the laws of logic won't be anymore or less valid five minutes from now.
b. Not dependent on space - the laws of logic aren't truer here than it is a billion light years away from earth.
c. Not dependent on matter - the laws of logic are axiomatic and abstract concepts.
d. Not dependent on human minds - the laws of logic are definitive and not disagreeable. Human minds contradict and disagree on everything, except the fundamental laws of logic.

again, no proof

3. Therefore, the laws of logic are transcendent.
4. Therefore, the laws of logic are dependent on something transcendent. (Okay, even if the laws of logic were transcendent, why do they need to be dependent on god?
5. Therefore, the laws of logic are dependent on a transcendent mind.
6. The transcendent mind is God.

0/10 so many assumptions
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Glaceren is not online. Glaceren
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28 Feb 2016 01:31 AM
CHRIS DOESN'T BELIEVE IN THE LAWS OF LOGIC

DO YOU KNOW WHAT LAW MEA..

Okay, sorry about that.

The proof is in the text m8
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chrisinden is not online. chrisinden
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28 Feb 2016 01:31 AM
oh crap tenal posted that
wow tenal disapointed
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coolestblue is not online. coolestblue
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28 Feb 2016 01:32 AM
You don't ask OT that kind of question!

But to answer it, nope. I do not think so.
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chrisinden is not online. chrisinden
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28 Feb 2016 01:35 AM
Oh no, the laws of logic most certainly exist. However, I have a problem with the idea that they aren't dependent on space or time. Our physical laws and concepts of time literally break down at certain speeds and lengths, so they may actually come from time/matter, and not the other way around. (IE: Matter creates the laws of logic, not the laws of logic create matter)

However, while they may not be transcendent laws, lets assume that they are.

Okay, the laws of logic transcend space, time, and matter. So why do they have to depend on a mind? Aren't they transcendent of any mind? The very definition of transcendent means that they exist regardless of anything, and shouldn't that include god?

If the laws of logic are transcendent, than they exist regardless of a god existing. End of story.
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Glaceren is not online. Glaceren
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28 Feb 2016 01:37 AM
SHE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TRANSCEN--


Sorry again

But seriously after those two things I'm going to stop posting on this thread k thx
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chrisinden is not online. chrisinden
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28 Feb 2016 01:38 AM
transendent- "beyond or above the range of normal or merely physical human experience."
also im a guy lol
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chrisinden is not online. chrisinden
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28 Feb 2016 01:39 AM
but how can you not see the multiple flaws in this reasoning?
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CatBoy1235 is not online. CatBoy1235
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28 Feb 2016 01:42 AM
are you real?
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UnknownShipper is not online. UnknownShipper
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28 Feb 2016 01:43 AM
Funny, I was watching this and then I see this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj0NL2r6cnU

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Glaceren is not online. Glaceren
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28 Feb 2016 01:44 AM
Because I study science stuff and things

And even if a god doesn't exist, the big bang can't be the beginning of the universe

The big bang theory specifically says "The universe was really small, then began to rapidly expand"

It SAYS that the universe already existed

The big bang could have happened, that doesn't mean it was the beginning of the universe though
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Debateyou is not online. Debateyou
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28 Feb 2016 02:04 AM
"1. The laws of logic exist."

The laws of logic are human constructs which only exist in our minds, logic is a form of reasoning.

"a. Law of identity - something is what it is and is not what it is not."
"b. Law of non-contradiction - something cannot be what it is not."
"c. Law of excluded middle - there is no third option to a true/false statement"

These are three of the "laws" of logic, or to be correct, we follow these laws when thinking logically.

"2. The laws of logic are not dependent on time, space, matter, or human minds."

They are dependent on time space and the human mind, logic is a human construct which only exists in our heads, thinking logically is a way of reasoning.


"a. Not dependent on time - the laws of logic won't be anymore or less valid five minutes from now."
"b. Not dependent on space - the laws of logic aren't truer here than it is a billion light years away from earth."
"c. Not dependent on matter - the laws of logic are axiomatic and abstract concepts."
"d. Not dependent on human minds - the laws of logic are definitive and not disagreeable. Human minds contradict and disagree on" everything, except the fundamental laws of logic."

They are concept which are reliant on human minds, without a human mind they don't exist, anyone can easily disagree with the laws of logic, in fact there are a multitude of debates about how we should think logically, and what the laws should be.


"3. Therefore, the laws of logic are transcendent."

In no way have you established they're transcendent, nor are they, they're human concepts.

"4. Therefore, the laws of logic are dependent on something transcendent. (Okay, even if the laws of logic were transcendent, why do they need to be dependent on god?"

Again, wrong. They are reliant on a human mind, nothing super natural is needed.

"5. Therefore, the laws of logic are dependent on a transcendent mind."

Again wrong, you haven't established the premise that you're relying on, this is simply nonsensical.

"6. The transcendent mind is God."

Again wrong, because there is no transcendent mind.
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Debateyou is not online. Debateyou
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28 Feb 2016 02:06 AM
"Because I study science stuff and things"

You clearly don't, you don't think rationally nor logically, and you have a first graders understanding of evolution.

"And even if a god doesn't exist, the big bang can't be the beginning of the universe"

And the evidence for your ludicrous claim is..?

"The big bang theory specifically says "The universe was really small, then began to rapidly expand"

No, we can only see as far back as the beginning of the expansion, for all we know it did begin right before hand.

"It SAYS that the universe already existed"

I think I cleared this up.

"The big bang could have happened, that doesn't mean it was the beginning of the universe though"

The big bang DID happen, and it may of been the beginning of the universe, however we can't see back that far, although gravitational waves will allow us to begin to understand the big bang better.
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le_forumer is not online. le_forumer
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28 Feb 2016 02:07 AM
i think maybe, who knows


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Debateyou is not online. Debateyou
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28 Feb 2016 02:10 AM
There is no evidence that any God exists, and thus believing in any God is ludicrous.

I'll propose an argument against the Christian one, for starter the whole of genesis is wrong, on top of that the book has a multitude of errors and contradictions, and it isn't clear on any subjects.

If God is all knowing he must know lust, thus he's sinned, but if he doesn't know lust then he isn't all powerful.

If God is all powerful can he create a rock that is unliftable then lift it? If he can he isn't all powerful since he can't create an unliftable rock, and if he can't he isn't all powerful since he can't lift the rock.
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DrForce is not online. DrForce
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28 Feb 2016 02:12 AM
"and thus believing in any God is ludicrous. "
why do you post this stuff man


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Tyride is not online. Tyride
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28 Feb 2016 02:12 AM
I believe in God.
Some don't.
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Debateyou is not online. Debateyou
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28 Feb 2016 02:13 AM
"why do you post this stuff man"

Because it's true, and the truth matters.
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CatBoy1235 is not online. CatBoy1235
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28 Feb 2016 02:13 AM
"If God is all powerful can he create a rock that is unliftable then lift it?"

I remember reading somewhere that a question like this was dumb
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Debateyou is not online. Debateyou
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28 Feb 2016 02:14 AM
"I remember reading somewhere that a question like this was dumb"

Should be easy enough to answer then.
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Tyride is not online. Tyride
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28 Feb 2016 02:14 AM
"There is no evidence that any God exists, and thus believing in any God is ludicrous."

Bash on all the religions there is why don't you.
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Debateyou is not online. Debateyou
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28 Feb 2016 02:14 AM
"Bash on all the religions there is why don't you."

I do...
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