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Re: I want to support VAK...

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Yeller7 is online. Yeller7
Joined: 06 Sep 2009
Total Posts: 1030
23 Feb 2016 01:18 AM
But the more that time passes, the more I see it's goals, values, and honour go down the drain.

Can anyone convince me that VAK is still what I originally joined it for, or is it time to hang up my VAK t-shirt and never wear it proudly again...?
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Inductive is not online. Inductive
Joined: 28 May 2012
Total Posts: 6480
23 Feb 2016 01:20 AM
Take a look at the group itself. If you think it's not reparable, then don't support it. I, however, really see no difference.
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Centurians is not online. Centurians
Joined: 05 Oct 2012
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23 Feb 2016 01:20 AM
It's time m9.
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IgnotusSanctum is not online. IgnotusSanctum
Joined: 08 Mar 2015
Total Posts: 652
23 Feb 2016 01:23 AM
Yeller is the most dedicated Vak member that I've ever seen

Never forget his picture of him in his Vak shirt lmaoooo
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HateHouse is not online. HateHouse
Joined: 27 Aug 2013
Total Posts: 8815
23 Feb 2016 01:23 AM
"the more I see it's goals, values, and honour go down the drain."
Well what does that mean to you Yeller?
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aguaroNrooney is not online. aguaroNrooney
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23 Feb 2016 01:24 AM
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Yeller7 is online. Yeller7
Joined: 06 Sep 2009
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23 Feb 2016 01:28 AM
When I originally joined VAK, It was, at least in my perspective, an exceptionally strong clan for the time that followed a code of honour when doing combat. Dirty tricks were shunned, and it's main focus was to show that superclans were nothing compared to skill.

Over time, it has almost become what it originally was against. More and more it wins purely with numbers, whether flooding when raiding, or needing half the server at SMO or wherever VAK is defending to make sure VAK doesn't lose.

VAK is so afraid of losing and breaking it's winstreak of forever that it would rather pull every dirty trick in the book in wars and otherwise to not lose. It became more and more apparent after going through the TGI war, then the VOID conflict. Some was understandable to match against what the enemy clan was doing, but I see more often outside of wars VAK being unfair towards raiders.
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Winterises is not online. Winterises
Joined: 09 Dec 2011
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23 Feb 2016 01:30 AM
VAK got baited so hard to a 5-0


||[Winter is rising ]||[ I am the Lich King.]||
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aguaroNrooney is not online. aguaroNrooney
Joined: 19 Apr 2014
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23 Feb 2016 01:31 AM
What yeller is saying is wuite damn true
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RogueRebeI is not online. RogueRebeI
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23 Feb 2016 01:32 AM


actually back in the original primitive days clans often looked to influential people as spearheads and let's be honest everyone could barely fight lol

over time as tech developed to be smoother and the focus shifted away from all figureheads and popularity, ego started inflating and skill went up therefore clans got better at combat but worse in nature, just happens in life

as a result clans are radically different and most likely can't adhere to their own code and upheld qualities thus causing degeneration, corruption, and a spike of boredom because we're so caught up in trying to be good now, here, in the present that we forget literally all things started from the past that we wanted to see go into the future

I sound like wannabet
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HateHouse is not online. HateHouse
Joined: 27 Aug 2013
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23 Feb 2016 01:35 AM
" VAK is defending to make sure VAK doesn't lose."
We don't care to actually lose. Losing makes us better, I don't understand why people on C&G think we will do anything to not lose. We HAVE lost battles. And it only makes us better.
" or needing half the server at SMO"
Except it can be 12v16, and 14v14 is fair.
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DemonTitan is not online. DemonTitan
Joined: 25 Apr 2010
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23 Feb 2016 01:40 AM
14 v 14 is completely fair.

Maybe it's that other clans just can't compare to VAK's skill so they want us to cater to their complaints?


Remember that we let SF raid SMO with even spawns a 14 raiders vs 10 VAK. We won the defense.


Next we switched it so we let SF defend SMO with 10, and we had 14 VAK raid our own base. We won the raid.

It just proves we had better communication and teamwork.
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Tivar is not online. Tivar
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23 Feb 2016 01:52 AM
Of the VOID conflict that was understandable due to labs though, Yeller.
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starpilot12 is not online. starpilot12
Joined: 30 Jun 2010
Total Posts: 5758
23 Feb 2016 01:55 AM
idk man vak is still the best even tho its degraded, partially because the entire clan and group genre for war clans has fallen thanks to roblox being dumb and killing them off one by one.

idk man idk


-starpilot12
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Aslum is not online. Aslum
Joined: 09 Dec 2011
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23 Feb 2016 02:09 AM
I saw it before ages ago, but can I see that picture of the VAK t-shirt again?
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Yeller7 is online. Yeller7
Joined: 06 Sep 2009
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23 Feb 2016 02:21 AM
14 v 14 is completely fair.

Maybe it's that other clans just can't compare to VAK's skill so they want us to cater to their complaints?


Remember that we let SF raid SMO with even spawns a 14 raiders vs 10 VAK. We won the defense.


Next we switched it so we let SF defend SMO with 10, and we had 14 VAK raid our own base. We won the raid.

It just proves we had better communication and teamwork.

@Demon

Depends on the base. Places like Varcia and even SMO 2.0 were VERY fair, but then, especially recently, VAK went back to Kaznan, which had so many unfair issues, and now back to the older SMO. I haven't visited it yet but all the version of SMO I remember had VAK spawn closer to the base than raiders, except maybe the early SMO when half the map was empty behind the giant stone arch.

Who was SF...? Did you mean to post what you did on that other forum post about SMO being unfair right now?
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Yeller7 is online. Yeller7
Joined: 06 Sep 2009
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23 Feb 2016 02:23 AM
@Aslum

Original: V0CDKsY

2nd version like a year later: JaENG94

I should take yet another one right now, just to add some comparison. It would be fun.
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Yeller7 is online. Yeller7
Joined: 06 Sep 2009
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23 Feb 2016 02:29 AM
@Tivar

Yeah. The VOID conflict with labs was silly. Labs was unfair and ISO knew it, but refused to admit it. However, VAK chose to do some dirty things in retaliation, such as use Officer pistols when VOID raided since it was decided that labs was unfair.

Now, there really wouldn't be a way to cease fighting due to labs being unfair, especially since Gannex had prematurely decided the war was fine before thoroughly looking into labs when he declared the war, so I don't hold this against VAK really.

TGI as well wasn't much, since the changes done to SMO were during VAK's hibernation. However, this CAN be seen as dirty since it was otherwise an unknown change to Tober by the time he decided to declare war, and VAK came out of hibernation.

To my knowledge, the SMO change was done BEFORE Tober formally declared war, but he assumed it was the same as prior to VAK's short hibernation. In all honesty, it's similar to Gannex declaring war on VOID without realizing the issues with labs.

It's like politics. You can't win an election if you are a good person. You literally have to tell lies and make empty promises and do all sorts of things to win. If VAK kept up with it's honour code, it would have lost wars by now. BUT, it may have as much respect, if not more, in the clan world if it did so. It's not a weak clan, but has stuck with being undefeated by doing some dirty things...
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Yeller7 is online. Yeller7
Joined: 06 Sep 2009
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23 Feb 2016 02:48 AM
Oh wow.

I just checked out the current SMO. The way that the 2nd building in the base is used as an alternative way to get to the hangar, albeit much longer, is very nice. It certainly feels a lot more like SMO 2.0 in fairness with all the different ways to the terminal.
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laing302 is not online. laing302
Joined: 24 Feb 2010
Total Posts: 355
23 Feb 2016 02:49 AM
@Yeller Do me a favor and get stop rambling about VAK. If you decided to leave, good you left, now stfu about it. Fking VAK spam threads on C&G, have no meaning at all.


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aguaroNrooney is not online. aguaroNrooney
Joined: 19 Apr 2014
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23 Feb 2016 02:53 AM
This actually does have a lot of meaning... What he is saying is true.
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Ternous is online. Ternous
Joined: 22 Oct 2012
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23 Feb 2016 02:56 AM
VAK are nerds lol they sit at there recruitment centre all day.
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aguaroNrooney is not online. aguaroNrooney
Joined: 19 Apr 2014
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23 Feb 2016 02:57 AM
^ Basically VAK is a clan that expects a teenager to sit infront of their laptop playing a virtual lego game for 24 hours a day.
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DemonTitan is not online. DemonTitan
Joined: 25 Apr 2010
Total Posts: 12775
23 Feb 2016 03:02 AM
Tl;dr version: Yeller was misinformed of the current base layout.
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are31 is not online. are31
Joined: 09 Nov 2007
Total Posts: 13767
23 Feb 2016 03:44 AM
its not as good as everyone that's in it perceives it to be, once you're out of it you see it

they just run rampant destroying bad clans to claim they're powerful but don't raid or war clans they know could beat them
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