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Re: now that forum clans are being kicked out

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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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13 Feb 2016 01:32 AM
we are seeing some growth once again

fear is actually being congratulated for bringing new people. fear.

this is the same clan people used to ridicule here so hard any successful thing it done was shunned and resulted in them being verbally attacked. now the attitudes are changing and they're doing quite well.

hopefully the trend continues
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dracomanx is not online. dracomanx
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13 Feb 2016 01:40 AM
I was expecting an essay in APA format
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gellyphish is not online. gellyphish
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13 Feb 2016 01:42 AM
well a lot if gourmets joined fear
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55Altair is not online. 55Altair
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13 Feb 2016 01:48 AM
the mentality used to be noobs = bad but people have realized that a xenophobic ideology in a community that isn't growing is pretty counterproductive. hence why FEAR, JC, VS, and even RAT used to be widely hated but all of them are regarded (or in JC/VS' cases, remembered) highly nowadays
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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13 Feb 2016 01:53 AM
that ideology did not prevail prior to the rise of forum based groups such as RAA and VOID. quite the contrary in fact, since top groups COMPETED to amass the biggest amount of newcomers, active members and numbers in their maps.
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55Altair is not online. 55Altair
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13 Feb 2016 01:54 AM
are you kidding? every time I see you post I just look at your join date in disbelief, because either our two completely opposite timelines have converged or you're misremembering
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XiaoWeiXiao is not online. XiaoWeiXiao
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13 Feb 2016 01:54 AM
"and numbers in their maps."

Throwback to when Fort Fang and VS's old 2011 fort were the most played games on the front page constantly.
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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13 Feb 2016 01:56 AM
looks like you're the one misrepresenting if anything

void rose in popularity sometime at the end of 2012 to the beginning of 2013 - which exactly coincided with the last time clans were regarded by factors such as the number of members they had and their levels of activity. now, nearly 4 years later, this shift is happening again very slowly as forum based clans such as the one you were a big part of are driven away.
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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13 Feb 2016 01:57 AM
if you think that clans were obsessed over war prior to the rise of forum groups (pre-2013) you clearly are forgetting how people actually used to rank groups SIMPLY by the amount of members they had at one point early on.
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55Altair is not online. 55Altair
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13 Feb 2016 01:59 AM
do you realize that from 2010-2012 RAT, UCR, FEAR, TRA, and VAK were in a constant state of war amongst themselves and other smaller clans? Just because you were busy pretending Reign of Chaos and NFC were good groups doesn't mean other things weren't happening in the community
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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13 Feb 2016 02:02 AM
smaller clans like who?

the big groups barely ever warred smaller clans. when they warred themselves they often drafted ideas to make themselves benefit from war - i can personally attest to that managing over a dozen conflict throughout the time period (2011-2013). clans warred often time for benefits, especially clans like tra and ucr. conceiving a loss in the past was no big deal either. nfc for example beat rat in 2010 but rat is still remembered as the stronger group - it's because no one allowed war track records to dictate clans entirely. the whole game is different now. wars are so obsessed over no one even wants to get into one out of fear for losing their groups.
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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13 Feb 2016 02:04 AM
and 'pretending' they were good groups

my friend, roc was the second most militaristic clan throughout the era and beat vs, fear, jc, nfc, ucr, etc. which were all pretty well respected. nfc beat uaf, vs and rat. so please, even if we go off by your flawed definition of what makes clans good, they still qualify.
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55Altair is not online. 55Altair
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13 Feb 2016 02:06 AM
"the big groups barely ever warred smaller clans."

just off the top of my head, speaking from wars I personally participated in

2010 -- Imperial Legion v. UCR
2010/11 -- VAK vs RSF (when it was new)
2011 -- Imperial Legion v. RSF
2011 -- V O I D v. TRA
2011 -- RAT v. UAF (briefly before d4 gave it to bb9)
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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13 Feb 2016 02:07 AM
you forget that the pool of active clans was much greater and they didnt go around poking one another either by starting forum scandals
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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13 Feb 2016 02:10 AM
you also forget that losing a way did not entail any significant consequences

again, nfc beat rat but no one went around insulting rat and calling it a crap clan

i personally beat ucr tdfall era w/ roc, ri but no one even batted an eye.

there were wars, less proportionally to the number of active clans, but because they were for fun and didnt decide just how good people perceived the group to be.
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55Altair is not online. 55Altair
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13 Feb 2016 02:10 AM
you really think that there were more active clans in the days when there were less than 200,000 groups?
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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13 Feb 2016 02:13 AM
war clans? hell yeah and i can prove it w/ in-game traffic via archive.org at ANY second.

--

also read this

"I've been around this game for a while. I've served in many groups as a leader, a soldier, an owner. For many people who have been around as long as I have, I know we can comment on the deterioration of groups and the contemporary clan world.

It's full of preaching "fairness" and "equality" at bases but at the same time, leaders want nothing fair, they want to win. There is extreme pride, and that pride sometimes gets in the way of doing the right and honest thing these days.

I think that this community needs to realize that a good clan doesn't need an undefeated status, doesn't even need to be the fairest one out there. But a clan, and especially its leader needs to be honest.

So, I would like to try and set an example for those out there."
- Castellian

http://forum.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=129160123


do you recall what happened to his clan for his attempt to take that step in the right direction - which in the past would have actually earned him a ton of respect? it brought tgi on a downward spiral until he finally came back and shut it down altogether. if you dont think this is a major issue then you are too bias to have your eyes opened.
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Artavios is not online. Artavios
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13 Feb 2016 02:15 AM
Ayy lmao

I remember Imperial Legion, Altair
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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13 Feb 2016 02:17 AM
not to mention that casts thread was posted on the summer of 2014

its been almost 3 years
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assasinlord5 is not online. assasinlord5
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13 Feb 2016 02:25 AM
Forum/Hype clans aren't a problem, the problem is EVERYONE trying to make a forum/hype clan. There's only so many people that are actually good at running a clan that way and when everyone's doing it clans just start to share the same exact people and get boring/less active. Clans like VOID, RAA, ORKz hell even though I hate to say it SF earned their place.
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Synoan is not online. Synoan
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13 Feb 2016 02:26 AM
Asslord nice nose
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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13 Feb 2016 02:28 AM
forum/hype clans are the problem because they encourage everyone to emulate them and pick up on their ideals. if no one obsessed wars or war track record to begin with they would've stayed the small petty groups overlooked by superclans in the past. forum clans only retain their edge when they convince the public that they are best for some reason or another (typically war) and they do so by bringing others down.
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assasinlord5 is not online. assasinlord5
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13 Feb 2016 02:29 AM
i don't get it. unless ur trying to say im brown nosing.
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Synoan is not online. Synoan
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13 Feb 2016 02:29 AM
Wannabet that's not true everyone ridicules people for losing wars and always have
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WannaBet is not online. WannaBet
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13 Feb 2016 02:32 AM
but no one has ever done it so aggressively or linked wars to a clan's wellbeing

look at the clans in the past. look at uaf that lost just about every war, look at rat that lost to nfc, look at roc that won all of its wars but lost out on diplomacy, look at castellian's attempt to lead by example and 2014 message. this is something that has been becoming progressively worse in the past but now getting better because clans like raa and especially void are being pushed aside.
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