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DoAnAileronRoll is not online. DoAnAileronRoll
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25 Jan 2016 10:17 PM
an operating system?

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cntkillme is not online. cntkillme
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25 Jan 2016 10:18 PM
A lot of theory, especially if you're dealing with x86. I've been "sort of" working on one (use Bochs if you ever decide to go on) but I rarely work on it.
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TaskScheduler is not online. TaskScheduler
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25 Jan 2016 10:21 PM
As you might read on line bill gates make $ 100.000.000.000 us dollar from operating system but other make $ 0 if you make it good enough you might make $ 1.000.000.000.000
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HuskiesPancake is not online. HuskiesPancake
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25 Jan 2016 10:22 PM
Really Depends if you wanna make a good one like Windows 10 or a crappy one like MAC


#code print "Hello World!'
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TaskScheduler is not online. TaskScheduler
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25 Jan 2016 10:24 PM
Huskies it is not what I wish to create a fourm on operating system arguement but I think to say that MAC is worse OS then windows when there are several Distinguish features (Window copy MAC features, MAC has security Such that getting virus is hard, Windows spys on user) I do think one should not make this statement.
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DermonDarble is not online. DermonDarble
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25 Jan 2016 10:24 PM
OSX is bae <3

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Threatboy101 is not online. Threatboy101
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25 Jan 2016 10:25 PM
Linus Torvalds hard.
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HuskiesPancake is not online. HuskiesPancake
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25 Jan 2016 10:26 PM
I dont want to get into a forum flame war so im just going to say


I respect your opinion and people have different preferences


#code print "Hello World!'
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DoAnAileronRoll is not online. DoAnAileronRoll
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25 Jan 2016 10:26 PM
I'd love to make one that is compatible with UNIX-like software, but...

Cloning the Linux kernel will cost more money than I can imagine (well over $1B)

using the Linux kernel forces the restrictive and dangerous GPLv2 on you (meaning you're responsible for releasing source code, plus you get derivatives that screw up developers targetting your platform and probably not going to make a ton of money off it.)

forking FreeBSD/NetBSD/BSD/OpenBSD means you have to re-write a large portion of the kernel, and pretty much everything related to booting.

forking Linux is even worse than forking just the Linux kernel

and writing one from hand is even worse than forking a BSD clone




god if only NeXTSTEP was open-source and had some license even more permissive than MIT or BSD or zLIB.

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TaskScheduler is not online. TaskScheduler
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25 Jan 2016 10:27 PM
Ah yes i agree with this Sentiment, I too think Different people prefer different system for their home, however I contribute only my Fact gatherings and wish to contribute knowings.
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HuskiesPancake is not online. HuskiesPancake
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25 Jan 2016 10:28 PM
if you want we can start a debate.org


#code print "Hello World!'
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TaskScheduler is not online. TaskScheduler
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25 Jan 2016 10:31 PM
Ah i am sorry but i am not comfortable with this Prospect, Amazon frequently use LINUX OS for theyre server but not MAC, And so i feel it is not Appropriate to host such a Discussion.
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DoAnAileronRoll is not online. DoAnAileronRoll
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25 Jan 2016 10:31 PM
this might be another torvalds vs tanenbaum
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cntkillme is not online. cntkillme
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25 Jan 2016 10:31 PM
it's not, the people you are talking to now are both idiots and trolls, in case you haven't seen the other threads.
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25 Jan 2016 10:32 PM
Isn't the reason macs get viruses less because they don't allow you to run non approved programs? Like iPhones?
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HuskiesPancake is not online. HuskiesPancake
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25 Jan 2016 10:32 PM
torvalds vs tanenbaum?


#code print "Hello World!'
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25 Jan 2016 10:34 PM
No, There are several distinguishing features on MAC that make Virus harder to get, Mainly in the kernel, i will not go in depth, it is possible to get one But as you mentioned non approved programs Do not run well for they are often malicious.
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HuskiesPancake is not online. HuskiesPancake
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25 Jan 2016 10:35 PM
No Antivirus that comes with a Operating System is good

thats why i use Adobe


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DoAnAileronRoll is not online. DoAnAileronRoll
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25 Jan 2016 10:36 PM
"Isn't the reason macs get viruses less because they don't allow you to run non approved programs? Like iPhones?"


No, it's because it's impractical to create malware for it.

The percent of people using it is even less than Linux and people don't really do anything besides maybe write office reports and relax to some music with it.

It doesn't appeal to gamers (where you can steal Steam accounts)

It doesn't appeal to most techie people (just overall messy)

It doesn't appeal to anyone but people who need a casual machine to write office stuff on

You can't really do graphics editing and stuff with it (Windows and Linux does it better)

You can't really make music with it (FL Studio is better than any Apple exclusive product)

You can't really do anything with it other than enjoy security based on the fact no one will screw with you because they will find no reason to
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DoAnAileronRoll is not online. DoAnAileronRoll
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25 Jan 2016 10:40 PM
i dont know


i feel like an OS not derived from Linux (like SteamOS) specifically targetting the gamer is a hard, hard task



would it be easier to fork a BSD clone or make one from scratch

in which case

how the hell do i install a BSD clone anyway
i cant figure it out
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25 Jan 2016 10:41 PM
The majority of viruses on Windows are caused by idiots running random software from the Internet, or idiots not keeping their software up-to-date. Yes, part of the reason Macs get less viruses is because it has a far lower market share than Windows, but it would be just as easy to create a virus for a Mac as it would to be to make a virus for Windows.
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DoAnAileronRoll is not online. DoAnAileronRoll
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25 Jan 2016 10:43 PM
@cntkillme


Are you planning to release it?
Are you working on porting it to the amd64 architecture?

If so, what license will it be under?
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cntkillme is not online. cntkillme
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25 Jan 2016 10:45 PM
It should already be more or less compatible with AMD since both the AMD and Intel processor (well, most of them at least) are x86.
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cntkillme is not online. cntkillme
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25 Jan 2016 10:47 PM
"Are you planning to release it?
If so, what license will it be under?"
It's not going to be good enough to release, there's no point. I might just make it available for the hell of it but it's never going to become an actual OS.

At this point all I've created it a simple bootloader and a 'kernel' that all it does now is remap the interrupts and handles keyboard input directly via I/O instructions when the keyboard interrupt is invoked and prints whatever you type onto the screen. It's literally nothing else.
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DoAnAileronRoll is not online. DoAnAileronRoll
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25 Jan 2016 10:48 PM
Err, is it x86, or x86-64?
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