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Re: I really do hope we see the Big Bang with the JWST.

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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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21 Jan 2016 06:48 PM
Not necessarily the Big Bang itself, but the origin point of the universe. Come October 2018, the scientific discoveries in astronomy are going to skyrocket.
And we thought we could see far with Hubble.


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Noob3713 is not online. Noob3713
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21 Jan 2016 06:50 PM
how do we know it's THE origin point?
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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21 Jan 2016 06:53 PM
"how do we know it's THE origin point?"

There'd be SIGNIFICANTLY more residual energy there, as opposed to a regular nebula. And if the Hiss actually originates from the Big Bang, it would be traceable back to that point.
But that's the thing, we WON'T know for certain if it's the origin point. I doubt we ever will. But we will at least be able to find out what the Hiss comes from, potentially.


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Noob3713 is not online. Noob3713
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21 Jan 2016 06:54 PM
not "the origin point"
"THE origin point"
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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21 Jan 2016 06:57 PM
"not "the origin point"
"THE origin point""

Right, the origin point of this universe.
All we know is that there is an origin point. We don't know where it is or where it looks like.
I assume they'd be able to determine the origin point by observing where all of the outward expansion is coming from. If you trace the expansion back far enough, you'll reach a point where everything is expanding in the opposite direction. If you do it from the other axis, you'll be able to pinpoint it from that axis, too.


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Noob3713 is not online. Noob3713
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21 Jan 2016 07:00 PM
A sandwich
THE sandwich

understand yet?
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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21 Jan 2016 07:02 PM
"A sandwich
THE sandwich

understand yet?"

Yes, THE definitive thing.
And in this case, THE definitive thing is THE origin point, which we do know exists. There was a point in space in which everything expanded outward.


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Noob3713 is not online. Noob3713
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21 Jan 2016 07:05 PM
look at the words i capitalized
every other word is irrelevant
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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21 Jan 2016 07:06 PM
"look at the words i capitalized
every other word is irrelevant"

MIND IS BROKEN


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Noob3713 is not online. Noob3713
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21 Jan 2016 07:08 PM
do you understand or no
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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21 Jan 2016 07:09 PM
"do you understand or no"

No.
Help my simple mind understand this.


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Noob3713 is not online. Noob3713
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21 Jan 2016 07:11 PM
is it the origin point or an origin point?
the one and only or one of many?
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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21 Jan 2016 07:13 PM
"is it the origin point or an origin point?
the one and only or one of many?"

THE origin point of THIS universe.
In the observable universe (which is pretty big, and it's about to get bigger), things are expanding from a single point. It can all be traced back to one point in space. The point may be billions of light years in size, but it's a single point of expansion.


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Noob3713 is not online. Noob3713
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21 Jan 2016 07:15 PM
how do you know this universe had only one point of origin?
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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21 Jan 2016 07:20 PM
"how do you know this universe had only one point of origin?"

Because, like I said, it's all expanding from a single point. Blue shift galaxies exist, but only when the gravitational field of both galaxies is drawing them toward each other (Andromeda and the Milky Way, for example). If there were multiple points of origin, there would be much more blue shift galaxies than there are.
Think of it this way. Let's say you have three dots on a piece of paper. Those are your three origin points. Now imagine a circle around those dots, representing the radius of all of the galaxies that came from that origin point. Imagine those circles expanding. At some point, they would intersect. ALL of those galaxies would be blue shift, because they're expanding toward us.
The galaxies are expanding in a radial manner, which could be traced back to one point. With the James Webb Space Telescope, we'd actually be able to locate that point.


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Noob3713 is not online. Noob3713
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21 Jan 2016 07:24 PM
"Let's say you have three dots on a piece of paper. Those are your three origin points"
lets say i erase those and draw more.

see what i'm getting at?
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AnatolianShepherd is not online. AnatolianShepherd
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21 Jan 2016 07:25 PM
oops wrong big bang

http://www.roblox.com/Choi-Seunghyun-T-O-P-item?id=96937928 /goodgollyholly/



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21 Jan 2016 07:25 PM
too many big words, seizure occurred at "gravitational"
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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21 Jan 2016 07:26 PM
"lets say i erase those and draw more.

see what i'm getting at?"

They'd still be expanding outward. Something with enough force to create even a single star would have tremendous outward force. Blue shift galaxies would be all over the place, and things wouldn't be expanding outward in the orderly way that they are.


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Noob3713 is not online. Noob3713
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21 Jan 2016 07:28 PM
key words: erase, more

ok lets make this easier: i understand how universes expand with personal experience but that's not even close to what i'm talking about
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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21 Jan 2016 07:30 PM
"key words: erase, more

ok lets make this easier: i understand how universes expand with personal experience but that's not even close to what i'm talking about"

Then what are you talking about?


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Noob3713 is not online. Noob3713
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21 Jan 2016 07:31 PM
why do we learn history?
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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21 Jan 2016 07:32 PM
"why do we learn history?"

So history majors can feel like they didn't waste four years of their life.


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Noob3713 is not online. Noob3713
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21 Jan 2016 07:33 PM
i meant the widely accepted answer
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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21 Jan 2016 07:35 PM
"i meant the widely accepted answer"

Uhh, so it doesn't repeat itself?
If that's what you're implying, the current universe still has a single origin point. There may have been others at separate times, but the content from those universes are no longer observable. The origin point of the observable universe from those previous ones are no longer relevant.


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