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Re: Why Donald Trump and Hilary are bad candidates

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DracoZygon is not online. DracoZygon
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05 Jan 2016 07:57 PM

Trump
1.He consistently shows he little to nothing about foreign policy or basic facts for that matter

2. He bankruped his company, four times and each time used asset loopholes to make sure he kept his money +profit while the company tanks, he is a brand himself

3. He consistently makes false statements, calls anti-constutional things such as death with no due process, not allowing muslims to come, giving them badges (sounds kinda familiar?)

Hilary

1.Flips flops a lot, for example the KeyStone pipeline
2.Has shown she is a warhawk, voted for the Iraq war, called for the Libyan conflict intervention
3.Is corrupt, and just not believable as a person
4.She is simply a socially moderate republican and panders





Both of these candidates are bad, and I can give you evidence. In my opinion, Bernie is the man and possibly rand paul if he wasn't so focused on being something he isnt


-Drake
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PlatinumPatriot is not online. PlatinumPatriot
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05 Jan 2016 07:58 PM
bernie sanders is literally an idiot

tell me where we're getting all this money for free tuition for college

i'm generally interested from where we can pull this magical money from


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robloxrock33 is not online. robloxrock33
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05 Jan 2016 07:58 PM
cool.

The rock of the forums.™
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DracoZygon is not online. DracoZygon
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05 Jan 2016 08:04 PM
@Platinum

Have you read/seen his economic plan? We spend hundreds of billions on the military, we spend billions on foreign aid to countries and in stupid wars such as Iraq,Afghanistan.



You're a funny dude
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PlatinumPatriot is not online. PlatinumPatriot
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05 Jan 2016 08:07 PM
yes we do, because warhawks (both liberal and republican) believe we need to "keep the world safe"

but you're not answering my question

where are we getting this money from to pay for every kid to go to college and get a free degree

do you understand how much money that is

it's literally trump talking about building a wall, except this will be much more expensive because every deadbeat and their mother will jump on the train to get useless degrees and abuse the system

sanders is literally no better than trump, you're a funny guy


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zepenguin4 is not online. zepenguin4
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05 Jan 2016 08:08 PM
the point is that sanders will not get what he exactly wants, but will receive a practical watered down verison of it.

either way hes on the right track


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DracoZygon is not online. DracoZygon
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05 Jan 2016 08:09 PM
I answered it, but cutting down the military, cutting down foreign interventions, cutting down aid for other countries- read his damn economic plan


And sanders disagrees with the "world police" mindset, and take a look at his voting record yourself lmao

https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders#.Vox3VsYrLnA
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PlatinumPatriot is not online. PlatinumPatriot
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05 Jan 2016 08:12 PM
if you understand geopolitics at all you will realize that we've dug our heels in far too deep and pulling out now is only going to cause more instability and problems

if sanders gets voted in i am leaving this country, it's going to go to hell in a handbasket


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DracoZygon is not online. DracoZygon
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05 Jan 2016 08:15 PM
If you understand anything about Geopolitics, you would know arming terrorist, fighting both sides of a conflict (Syria,??wtf lol) isn't exactly bring stability either, and it isn't for the American people or "Democracy" lol


If you think the US will go to hell if Sanders is elected , what do you think Trump will cause? Once again my man, take a look at his voting record and his policy standings
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PlatinumPatriot is not online. PlatinumPatriot
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05 Jan 2016 08:18 PM
i never said i was going to vote for trump, don't assume i will

i'm just amused that you champion the liberal version of him

and no, geopolitics does not simply cover the middle-east alone


both china and russia are making aggressive pushes for territory. china in the south china sea and russia in ukraine and eastern europe. we are in full support of our allies there, and if you want >possible< contenders for superpowers it will be china and russia.

so as much as i'd like to pursue isolationism, i'd rather not have dictators turning the world into pre-world war ii again.


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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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05 Jan 2016 08:18 PM
Bernie Sanders said he would make college TUITION FREE, not totally free

The whole reason why colleges are so expensive in the first place is because the government subsidizes heavily on certain colleges to try to make them more competitive, but instead colleges just raise the price because they can.


In fact, it’s what many of our colleges and universities used to do. The University of California system offered free tuition at its schools until the 1980s. In 1965, average tuition at a four-year public university was just $243 and many of the best colleges – including the City University of New York – did not charge any tuition at all. The Sanders plan would make tuition free at public colleges and universities throughout the country.


The US is the richest country on Earth, if countries like finland can do it then the US can.

Bernie said something about taxing spectulators on wallstreet to get some of it down.


But yes, IT IS an investment, IT WILL cost money, but it is in the end I think worth it, as other countries invest in it aswell, social security costs alot but its considered a necessity.
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iGrimmx is not online. iGrimmx
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05 Jan 2016 08:22 PM
trump>>

Idec I know nothing about politics either and won't care ever
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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05 Jan 2016 08:23 PM
Honestly the only way we're gonna get 'good' *Free* college is if we, as a society make the choice to pay a little higher taxes for it. The american public is split on it.


Europe has lots of *free* healthcare and education but it comes as a price as a society they make to pay higher taxes for it to happen.


According to the federal reserve about a month ago the US has fully recovered from the recession, If we are to go to the step of introducing the modernized education and healthcare system, we are going to have to raise taxes.

Now, the US has some of the lowest taxes in the world, especially for a developed nation, if we can get past our capitalist-ego then it could happen, but if people don't want that we will have the same issues..
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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05 Jan 2016 08:26 PM
I should note, there is a cultural difference between education.

In the US higher education is seen as something to be earned.
In Europe its seen as a public good and public interest as something their society should invest him.


1) they pay higher taxes than in the US, In places like denmark/sweden its around 60%
2) They actually have less people going into higher education. (Unlike in the US, where you can virtually get into any college with basic credentials (might not be the best college) in places like germany the whole education system is nationalized and you have to pass state education scores to get into certain level colleges
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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05 Jan 2016 08:27 PM
Oh and, US Colleges are actually the most competitive in the world (we consistently hold top #10 places for college)
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Cipheraxz is not online. Cipheraxz
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05 Jan 2016 08:29 PM
GUYS QUIT TALKING ABOUT SPENDING MONEY ON WARS.

It should be common knowledge that EVERY war costs money.

"tell me where we're getting all this money for free tuition for college"

As for this, other countries have pulled this off easily with free healthcare and free education, the money comes from taxes.



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DukeCow is not online. DukeCow
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05 Jan 2016 08:30 PM
trump is smart, hillary and bernie are morons
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AlteFritz is not online. AlteFritz
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05 Jan 2016 08:35 PM
Why are we discussing politics on Roblox? Are we trying to be smarter than 12 year olds? These are the people who literally become communists because it looks cool and edgy.
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DystraTala is not online. DystraTala
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05 Jan 2016 08:35 PM
"As for this, other countries have pulled this off easily with free healthcare and free education, the money comes from taxes."

And just like in those instances, education would become third-rate.


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Cipheraxz is not online. Cipheraxz
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05 Jan 2016 08:38 PM
Politics are fun to talk about.

@Dystra, In all honesty, it's better then spending 30+ years of your life struggling to pay your debt to college.



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PlatinumPatriot is not online. PlatinumPatriot
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05 Jan 2016 08:42 PM
you keep trying to compare the US to Europe

US is the farthest thing from a country with some sort of ethnic background that defines it

not all euro countries are 100% the same population-wise, but their population composition isn't made up entirely of immigrants

smh





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AlteFritz is not online. AlteFritz
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05 Jan 2016 08:42 PM
"In all honesty, it's better then spending 30+ years of your life struggling to pay your debt to college."

So lowering our education standards (which are already low as it is) so that people who didn't bother to get scholarships or whom have a low IQ can go to college for their degrees in Liberal Arts or Women's Studies for free on the backs of people who've already paid off their debts and now have to pay those taxes is better than those same people paying off their useless degrees?

The only people who are in debt that long didn't try hard enough or chose a degree where there's no jobs.
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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05 Jan 2016 08:43 PM
I'd honestly take our previous low tuition rate for college over *free* college



Countries like belgium have a 64% income tax
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Cryptonox is online. Cryptonox
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05 Jan 2016 08:47 PM
Lmao Trump >>>>
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DallinAnTrodai is not online. DallinAnTrodai
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05 Jan 2016 08:47 PM
I honestly think Trump is playing around to get Clinton as President.

I mean, he honestly can't be stupid enough to mean the things he said. Also note that he has known the Clintons for quite some time.

I joke around about it a lot, but I do believe the Illuminati and the goal for a NWO is real. I think Obama, Clinton, and Trump are all playing the same game.

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