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Re: Clinton or Sanders would both be a horrible move

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IHaveAlreadyWon is not online. IHaveAlreadyWon
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05 Jan 2016 06:15 PM
Look what 8 years of a democrat in office has already done.

Economy is horrible

We are 13 trillion dollars in debt

There is a war against police (which is stupid since they give their lives for us)

There is more hate in the nation then ever before.

Other countries (Russia) run over us.

We keep releasing prisoners and letting thousands of immigrants in from the middle east, without checking them for terrorist backrounds what so ever.

Plus, Hillary should be in jail for that illegal email scandal. How can we trust a president that keeps secrets then lies about them?


And then just look at what happened in Bengasi.

I mean for real...
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IHaveAlreadyWon is not online. IHaveAlreadyWon
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05 Jan 2016 06:16 PM
Just proving my point =)
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teslobo is not online. teslobo
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05 Jan 2016 06:17 PM
I think this is a perfect opportunity to play the "correlation does not equal causation" card.
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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05 Jan 2016 06:20 PM
Look what 8 years of a democrat in office has already done.

Economy is horrible

-Elaborate, The Economy has actually FULLY RECOVERED ACCORDING TO THE FEDERAL RESERVE, Meaning we recovered from the recession fully, If you want to blame, blame reagon and bush for expanding it.

We are 13 trillion dollars in debt

-You know as well as I do all 13 trillion DID NOT come from 8 years, if you want to blame anyone, blame congress, the president doesnt make the budget, congress (which is republican dominated) approves it)

There is a war against police (which is stupid since they give their lives for us)

-There is a problem with police brutality in this country, especially against minorities

There is more hate in the nation then ever before.

->Donald trump

Other countries (Russia) run over us.

-> How? We sanctioned Russia and made their economy decline

We keep releasing prisoners and letting thousands of immigrants in from the middle east, without checking them for terrorist backrounds what so ever.

-> the US Vetting process takes 2 years, its the hardest in the world, the US isn't even accepting many refugees

Plus, Hillary should be in jail for that illegal email scandal. How can we trust a president that keeps secrets then lies about them?

-> The republican investigation committee found nothing wrong or evidence


And then just look at what happened in Bengasi.

-> republican special committee found nothing wrong

I mean for real...
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ConfederateJesus is not online. ConfederateJesus
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05 Jan 2016 06:20 PM
"I think this is a perfect opportunity to play the "correlation does not equal causation" card."

This

And also, Bush raised the national debt by 101% ($5.849 trillion) where Obama only raised it by 53% ($6.167 trillion).

There was a much less drastic change from Bush to Obama than from Clinton to Bush, and the change from Bush to Obama is almost a given considering the numerous technological advances and growing needs of the developing nation.


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Fauxtillion is not online. Fauxtillion
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05 Jan 2016 06:22 PM
"Economy is horrible"

>It's actually improving.

"We are 13 trillion dollars in debt"

>This is solely Obama's fault?

"There is a war against police (which is stupid since they give their lives for us)"

>There are people protesting against injustice, and calling it a war is very misleading because of the fact that it's a few events that happened to be mass publicized, not mass events that aren't publicized.

"There is more hate in the nation then ever before."

>What?

"Other countries (Russia) run over us."

>How exactly is Russia "running over us"? We've beefed up bases and soldiers in the Baltic states which are extremely close to Russia itself.

"We keep releasing prisoners and letting thousands of immigrants in from the middle east, without checking them for terrorist backrounds what so ever."

>This is actually inaccurate. Immigrants do have to go through some sort of vetting, the accuracy of which can be hazy because of where they're immigrating from. Terrorism, more often than not, is from homegrown terrorists, not foreigners. I'm not sure what you mean by releasing prisoners.

"Plus, Hillary should be in jail for that illegal email scandal. How can we trust a president that keeps secrets then lies about them?"

>I think that's for the Department of Justice to say.

"And then just look at what happened in Bengasi."

>You mean Benghazi? And that was a security issue that wasn't directly dealt with by the Secretary of State. You have to be insane to believe that she micromanaged every little detail in something as big as the US State Department.

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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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05 Jan 2016 06:22 PM
The Economy actually IMPROVED under Obama (obama may have not caused it)

recently the Federal reserve said the US has fully recovered from the 2008 recession, as now they are rising interest rates higher to encourage saving
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IHaveAlreadyWon is not online. IHaveAlreadyWon
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05 Jan 2016 06:28 PM


You only seem to mention Reagan and Bush, but you forget to mention Clinton.


-You know as well as I do all 13 trillion DID NOT come from 8 years, if you want to blame anyone, blame congress, the president doesnt make the budget, congress (which is republican dominated) approves it)

Republicans just took over Congress, and never the less, the President isn't doing anything to stop it.

-There is a problem with police brutality in this country, especially against minorities

Just because there some cases of true brutality doesn't mean its okay for people to march through the streets yelling "kill c0ps"

->Donald trump

Your answer makes no sense.

Other countries (Russia) run over us.

-> How? We sanctioned Russia and made their economy decline

Uhm, look at Ukraine.

-> the US Vetting process takes 2 years, its the hardest in the world, the US isn't even accepting many refugees

We are currently letting 70,000 people into the nation.

-> The republican investigation committee found nothing wrong or evidence

Google it, they found her discussing classified information on her computer. This is illegal and she wasn't arrested or did she have a formal court hearing.


-> republican special committee found nothing wrong

Who the heck cares what the republican committee says? They let an ambassador DIE, and it was their fault for not sending him help when he and the men who died with him begged for support...
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IHaveAlreadyWon is not online. IHaveAlreadyWon
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05 Jan 2016 06:30 PM
Every little detail in the State Department?

Yes, she doesn't do that.

But when a foreign ambassador is being raided and could possibly die, I don't believe that is a "little detail"
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Fauxtillion is not online. Fauxtillion
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05 Jan 2016 06:32 PM
At the point in which it was brought to her what exactly could she have done?

Security at the embassy wasn't her responsibility.
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IHaveAlreadyWon is not online. IHaveAlreadyWon
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05 Jan 2016 06:36 PM

Its her Embassy.

She could of called in Air support or even ground reinforcements.

If the Security Fails its literally her fault that it wasn't good enough.

The attack on that ambassador lasted 13 hours long.

She had HOURS and HOURS to help those men.
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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05 Jan 2016 06:43 PM



-You know as well as I do all 13 trillion DID NOT come from 8 years, if you want to blame anyone, blame congress, the president doesnt make the budget, congress (which is republican dominated) approves it)

"Republicans just took over Congress, and never the less, the President isn't doing anything to stop it."

**Are you an idiot. The Republicans, when Obama came into office said they would not work with him and veto everything. The President is REQUIRED BY LAW, to pass the budget that the idiot republicans made, he can't do anything about it.

-There is a problem with police brutality in this country, especially against minorities

Just because there some cases of true brutality doesn't mean its okay for people to march through the streets yelling "kill c0ps"

**Provide evidence of that, It isn't 'some cases' African Americans show up in the prison system, are arrested, and shot 2x more than whites, Thats a big difference considering White people make up 77% of US population while african americans 13%

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Other countries (Russia) run over us.

"-> How? We sanctioned Russia and made their economy decline

Uhm, look at Ukraine."

**We sanctioned Russia, their economy is hurting, I don't want to start WW3, Europe disagreed with sending in troops, so its better off.

-> the US Vetting process takes 2 years, its the hardest in the world, the US isn't even accepting many refugees

"We are currently letting 70,000 people into the nation."

**Provide evidence of that, I see that nowhere on the News, How is that bad? We partly caused the problem in the middle east, you are more likely to be killed by a right wing guns activist than a muslim terrorist in the US.


-> The republican investigation committee found nothing wrong or evidence

"Google it, they found her discussing classified information on her computer. This is illegal and she wasn't arrested or did she have a formal court hearing."

**The Special Investigation Commitee HEADED BY REPUBLICANS did not file any charges against her, That means shes not found guilty, If she did something illegal, The republicans would of found it


-> republican special committee found nothing wrong

"Who the heck cares what the republican committee says? They let an ambassador DIE, and it was their fault for not sending him help when he and the men who died with him begged for support..."


**Can you stop being an idiot, Its not her fault for the incident, She is not a security specialist, if you want to blame someone, blame the security head of the embassy, G Bush knew that there was a threat of terrorism on US soil but he ignored it for 6 months and 9/11 happened
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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05 Jan 2016 06:44 PM
It was four people, They were dead within the first hour of the attack, when no help could of come.
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