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| 29 Dec 2015 09:31 AM |
| Despite what you may think, screaming and growling are not the invention of some metal vocalist or stupid screamo guy. Actually, screaming and growling was used in the traditional music of the vikings. Soul and blues has some screaming in it,but not in the sense of a metal scream, with the exception of people like Screamin' Jay Hawkins. I also know of a twelfth century play that has the character of the Devil represented by growling. Roger Waters screamed in Pink Floyd songs, and The Who have a song with growling. All in all, these vocal styles are not recent, and examples of harsh vocals predate every single form of modern music. Cool, huh? |
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JunJoe
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| 29 Dec 2015 10:32 AM |
Stop trying to compare modern screaming/growling in music with classical examples to pretend like its been around forever because it's totally different. Viking music doesn't even exist, you can't hear any traditional viking music anywhere nowadays. No one knows what it sounds like. The blues screaming isn't the same at all either.
This is an example of Screamin' Jay Hawkins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kGPhpvqtOc
He's literally just screaming because during the recording session he was intoxicated.
And putting a reference to a play with the devil growling was irrelevant, that's a play, screaming and growling are acting, not singing.
So no, the Vikings weren't screaming or growling like some loser from a post hardcore band, neither was any blues singers, neither was Pink Floyd or The Who. |
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| 29 Dec 2015 10:39 AM |
This was The Who song he was talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvFuUaCe8eY I think I heard the pink floyd one two I just forgotten it |
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JunJoe
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| 29 Dec 2015 10:43 AM |
| he sounds like hes burping lol |
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| 29 Dec 2015 10:44 AM |
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2q6zX75fBg |
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| 29 Dec 2015 12:23 PM |
| Actually, the play was a musical, it was harsh vocals in the musical sense. There are written accounts of people who went to Scandinavia and talked about viking music, saying that they sang like barking dogs, only wilder. |
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| 29 Dec 2015 12:27 PM |
| Also there are examples of blues vocalists who use a technique very similar to modern death growls. |
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| 29 Dec 2015 12:28 PM |
a growl is just singing false chord from the chest as opposed to performing a false chord from your falsetto fam in other words it's intentionally going completely out of tune for better or worse :^) |
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| 29 Dec 2015 12:30 PM |
| ^Yes, pretty much. Also, the song "I Put a Spell On You" by Screamin' Jay Hawkins uses a screaming technique that actually sounds very close to hardcore shouts. |
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| 29 Dec 2015 12:30 PM |
There are written accounts of people who went to Scandinavia and talked about viking music
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that was one person, literally a single person wrote that. that doesnt mean ALL viking music was like that
youre getting all your info from the wikipedia pages on screaming/death growls
i see everything youre seeing lol
in reference to that devil play or whatever: "The Devil does not sing, he only yells or grunts because according to Hildegard, he cannot produce divine harmony"
it has literally nothing to do with singing melodically |
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| 29 Dec 2015 12:32 PM |
uses a screaming technique that actually sounds very close to hardcore shouts.
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lmfao you metal heads are absolutely mental |
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| 29 Dec 2015 12:32 PM |
| of course that play would be considered apocryphal to christian canon because the devil is meant to have an ear for melody, why I bet you didn't know it but he's a fiddle player too |
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| 29 Dec 2015 12:33 PM |
| Growling is also not singing melodically at all. I should know, I am a vocalist. I didn't even make this thread to compare modern harsh vocals with older styles. I just made this thread because I thought it was cool that harsh vocals have existed in one way or another for a long time. |
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| 29 Dec 2015 12:34 PM |
| First, hardcore shouts aren't metal, and, his vocals in that song do approach shout territory. |
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| 29 Dec 2015 12:54 PM |
nothing you said has any historical credibility.
you act like people praised growling like they do today.
no one was like "bro did u hear that dude that played the devil last year in that musical, his growls were on FLEEKeth" |
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| 29 Dec 2015 12:55 PM |
| That was not my intent, I was just trying to show that harsh vocals existed in the past. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. |
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| 29 Dec 2015 12:58 PM |
I don't see harsh vocals as a particular skill more so acting placed into music, metal is entirely based around imagery in the more extreme areas despite what the fans of the genre said, and tbh as much as i prefer decent bluesy vocals; metal would be worse and even harder to respect than it already is if it all sounded like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yehh-j1B-v8 lmao neckbeard meal |
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| 29 Dec 2015 06:08 PM |
| Heres a fine example of a black metal song without growls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3Ubctz2ywA |
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