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Re: Bernie Sanders, a conscientious objector during Vietnam War

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SimpleWayfarer is not online. SimpleWayfarer
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SimpleWayfarer is not online. SimpleWayfarer
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15 Dec 2015 10:14 PM
The truth hurts.
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temsteel is not online. temsteel
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15 Dec 2015 10:17 PM
All I read was the title.
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SimpleWayfarer is not online. SimpleWayfarer
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15 Dec 2015 10:21 PM
To clarify, I don't think conscientious objector status is wrong. But I also don't think that anyone so morally opposed to war that they must opt out of service is qualified to be president, in which case they would be playing a significant role in the military and world affairs.
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phoniex is not online. phoniex
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15 Dec 2015 10:24 PM
To be fair though, the Vietnam war was an absolutely brutal and colossal failure.

And Bernie isn't 100% anti-war, he's just against the United States being the World Police.
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Catzilla99 is not online. Catzilla99
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15 Dec 2015 10:25 PM
would you prefer he did nothing?
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SimpleWayfarer is not online. SimpleWayfarer
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15 Dec 2015 10:35 PM
@Phoniex,

I should hope so. I'm no warmonger, but I think it necessary for a president to be able to make sound decisions in time of war, influenced by conditions over convictions.

@Catzilla,

What do you mean?
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15 Dec 2015 10:37 PM
Except the Vietnam War had no business even being fought by America. It all stems from "containment", which caused more harm than good to the world overall.
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15 Dec 2015 10:40 PM
How do you imagine Bernie might respond to the Middle Eastern CrISIS if he was elected? Because it can be said that America has no business being there either (and it has been said, time and time again).
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15 Dec 2015 10:45 PM
Except the Middle East has a wealth of resources (most notably oil, of course) and America is allied with several countries over there, including Israel and Turkey. Vietnam, meanwhile, had no valuable resources and was barely allied with South Vietnam, again because of containment.
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SimpleWayfarer is not online. SimpleWayfarer
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15 Dec 2015 10:52 PM
Would Bernie Sanders have any interest in most of those resources since he's so adamant about his position on climate change and fossil fuels?
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phoniex is not online. phoniex
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15 Dec 2015 10:58 PM
Bernie has said that he wants to train and arm the locals to fight against the threat.
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15 Dec 2015 10:58 PM
The president cannot declare war without congressional approval, and knowing the amount of lobbyists that influence Congress, they would vote "yes" because of the oil. Of course that's assuming Sanders would actually issue a request for war in the first place.
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15 Dec 2015 10:59 PM
why are you guys arguing with an idiot
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SimpleWayfarer is not online. SimpleWayfarer
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15 Dec 2015 11:10 PM
@Phoniex,

Bernie? Bernie Sanders?

@Excellent,

Point taken.
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