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Re: Smash 4 > Melee

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dualroxas is not online. dualroxas
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13 Dec 2015 10:54 PM
*opens floodgates*
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Kinectivity is not online. Kinectivity
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14 Dec 2015 12:23 AM
i respect ur opinion









but in this case ur opinion is just stupidity and it's wrong

sorry man
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comphn is not online. comphn
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14 Dec 2015 09:35 AM
I like how op they made yoshi in smash 4
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Qliphoth is not online. Qliphoth
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14 Dec 2015 09:57 AM
support your opinion?
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PrinceAtor is not online. PrinceAtor
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14 Dec 2015 02:21 PM
nah lol
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dualroxas is not online. dualroxas
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14 Dec 2015 02:25 PM
People who like Melee are nostalgia biased or like it for competitive which is not even the biggest or only point of Smash Bros.

Smash 4 is literally Melee with more characters and better graphics and more modes.
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PrinceAtor is not online. PrinceAtor
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14 Dec 2015 02:34 PM
Since competitive is not the biggest point of smash you arent allowed to like Melee?
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Qliphoth is not online. Qliphoth
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14 Dec 2015 02:40 PM
"People who like Melee are nostalgia biased or like it for competitive which is not even the biggest or only point of Smash Bros."

the point of smash bros is competition

calling out someone for liking melee with the basis of "nostalgia" is an ignorant viewpoint

take a minute to educate yourself on the complexity of melee

"Smash 4 is literally Melee with more characters and better graphics and more modes"

lol you're ignorant if you think this is true

smash 4 is dumb-downed brawl with more clones and fewer gameplay options

in tournaments, smash 4 has no neutral game

no baiting with dashdances, no platform play, no punishes
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dualroxas is not online. dualroxas
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14 Dec 2015 03:10 PM
@PrinceAtor

No, but people treat it like it's such a big deal to the point where if any Smash game did anything else better it would be that one aspect that makes Melee godlike compared to the rest of them.

@Qliphoth

The point of Smash Bros. is to have fun playing the game, not petty little gameplay aspects that are meaningful only to those who refuse to admit one game is better than the one they've always liked.

And no, it's not an ignorant viewpoint to call someone biased by nostalgia for liking Melee because that's the reason many people (not all) do. Say I'm wrong and you're just as blind as them.

It's just so ridiculous to me that people obsess over these tiny little features that add little to the overall game. It's as if they're ignoring the greatness that Smash 4 is altogether just because you can't wavedash.

Don't get me wrong, the super-competitive-go-to-every-tournament community is great, but it's not all of Smash Bros. Sakurai has even eluded to competitive Smash having no future.
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PrinceAtor is not online. PrinceAtor
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14 Dec 2015 03:27 PM
"And no, it's not an ignorant viewpoint to call someone biased by nostalgia for liking Melee because that's the reason many people (not all) do. Say I'm wrong and you're just as blind as them."

your an idiot i dont even know why anyone is trying to argue with you
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dualroxas is not online. dualroxas
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14 Dec 2015 03:28 PM
@PrinceAtor

I hope that was genuine sarcasm, because you called me an idiot and in the same sentence sounded just like one.....
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XxjasonxX900 is not online. XxjasonxX900
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14 Dec 2015 03:32 PM
Why not both? they're both pretty good.
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dualroxas is not online. dualroxas
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14 Dec 2015 03:37 PM
I agree they're both good games, I just wish people would give Smash 4 more credit.
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Qliphoth is not online. Qliphoth
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14 Dec 2015 03:57 PM
"The point of Smash Bros. is to have fun playing the game, not petty little gameplay aspects that are meaningful only to those who refuse to admit one game is better than the one they've always liked."

and how is the game supposed to be fun? by pushing buttons? no, you play against someone or something, which is intrinsically competitive

"And no, it's not an ignorant viewpoint to call someone biased by nostalgia for liking Melee because that's the reason many people (not all) do. Say I'm wrong and you're just as blind as them."

it most certainly is ignorant to state that melee players play the game for nostalgia. there are no melee players (the ones who count) that play the game simply because the game is older

"It's just so ridiculous to me that people obsess over these tiny little features that add little to the overall game. It's as if they're ignoring the greatness that Smash 4 is altogether just because you can't wavedash."

lol, that's not the only thing that makes tr4sh inferior. literally everything about tr4sh was a downgrade from every previous smash bros game

"Don't get me wrong, the super-competitive-go-to-every-tournament community is great, but it's not all of Smash Bros. Sakurai has even eluded to competitive Smash having no future."

sakurai was wrong, as we can see. the top players of melee have made well over $300k, and melee's metagame is still running strong. the reason why the metagame from smash 64 and brawl is small is because they're not as complex (and therefore fun) as melee. also, ZeRo dominated tr4sh's major tournaments, which is unhealthy for the game



plus, saying that a fighting game looking better visually adds nothing to your argument
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dualroxas is not online. dualroxas
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14 Dec 2015 04:27 PM
Man, you're the perfect example here of someone who can't play Smash the way it was intended. I'm seriously convinced if someone handed you Melee HD you'd still like the original more for no good reason.


Clearly we have a different idea of competitive here. Obviously, yes, playing the game normally with friends is competitive, but it's not what most consider "competitive Smash," which is clearly the realm you're in here.


You also seem to not know what nostalgia is. No, it's not just playing something because it's older, it's playing something because you have had positive connections to it in the past, and in some Melee fans' cases, not having the ability to "move on" to the better things.

I can actually compare myself to this here because I was firm about using IE as my browser for a long time because it was what I've always used and it always asked if I wanted to close every tab or not. It was meaningless and petty little details, and then I woke up and used Chrome forever because so many other aspects made it better.


"literally everything about tr4sh was a downgrade from every previous smash bros game"

Not even bluffing, hands-down the most ignorant, biased statement I've ever heard from a Melee obsessive.


No, Sakurai isn't wrong. The context I believe he was speaking in was about him making the games and any possible future games (which there is really no need for IMO after Smash 4) more suited to competitive gameplay. He has shown his disinterest in making the game more suited to the nitpickers and he doesn't really care about it.


And blindly saying that Sm4sh is nothing but a downgrade from "every smash game" only demotes your argument.
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bbt is not online. bbt
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14 Dec 2015 04:33 PM
"take a minute to educate yourself on the complexity of melee"

"complexity of melee"

"complexity of melee"

"complexity of melee"

"complexity of melee"

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Qliphoth is not online. Qliphoth
Joined: 26 Nov 2008
Total Posts: 5637
14 Dec 2015 05:32 PM
"Man, you're the perfect example here of someone who can't play Smash the way it was intended. I'm seriously convinced if someone handed you Melee HD you'd still like the original more for no good reason."

if i were given melee hd (really, even any melee player), i'd play the hell outta that game. that's what melee players have been wanting for years

"Clearly we have a different idea of competitive here. Obviously, yes, playing the game normally with friends is competitive, but it's not what most consider "competitive Smash," which is clearly the realm you're in here."

no, the nature of smash bros is competition.

"in some Melee fans' cases, not having the ability to "move on" to the better things."

what makes tr4sh better? because, as far as i'm aware, there's no reason to play tr4sh over melee

"Not even bluffing, hands-down the most ignorant, biased statement I've ever heard from a Melee obsessive."

again, what makes everything about tr4sh (minus the visuals) better than previous games

"No, Sakurai isn't wrong. The context I believe he was speaking in was about him making the games and any possible future games (which there is really no need for IMO after Smash 4) more suited to competitive gameplay. He has shown his disinterest in making the game more suited to the nitpickers and he doesn't really care about it."

clearly contradictory to his actions, according to your argument. if he didn't care about smash bros' competitive, why would he bother stating that tr4sh is supposed to be "between melee and brawl"?

"And blindly saying that Sm4sh is nothing but a downgrade from "every smash game" only demotes your argument."

actually, i'm not blindly stating anything. melee is objectively more complex than tr4sh, which is the reason why it's better
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dualroxas is not online. dualroxas
Joined: 10 Apr 2010
Total Posts: 1039
14 Dec 2015 06:15 PM
Let's see...

Visuals

Characters

Modes

DLC becoming a thing, opening doors for constant updates and patches

Multiple controllers compatible

Online play (present in Brawl, yet still a step up from Melee)

Amiibo (arguably not a good thing though)

Online tournaments

Customs

And everything Melee had except for a couple characters and a couple gameplay mechanics for the nitpickers.
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bradelyblox is not online. bradelyblox
Joined: 05 Nov 2011
Total Posts: 727
14 Dec 2015 06:25 PM
i think digimon rumble arena was the best game


swag swag my swag swag my dc got swag swag
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dualroxas is not online. dualroxas
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14 Dec 2015 06:28 PM
Shrek Superslam is actually the best one. It has little to no graphic quality, it's on the GBA, but hey, it has wavedashes! Woohoo!
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bradelyblox is not online. bradelyblox
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14 Dec 2015 06:59 PM
ape escape pumped and primed >whatever smash + whatever fighting game ever

it has so many new techs than the older ones, with untapped potential and many underused characters just waiting for someone to discover their secrets


swag swag my swag swag my dc got swag swag
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PrinceAtor is not online. PrinceAtor
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14 Dec 2015 07:25 PM
the only thing smash 4 has on melee is visuals and online lol
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dualroxas is not online. dualroxas
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14 Dec 2015 07:29 PM
ok keep lying to yourself not my problem
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PrinceAtor is not online. PrinceAtor
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14 Dec 2015 07:31 PM
lol what do u think smash 4 does better than melee
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Ferelcapo is online. Ferelcapo
Joined: 30 Jul 2009
Total Posts: 10747
14 Dec 2015 09:19 PM
@prince

roster and balancing
low skill floor so that you can actually start playing the mental game without a rather high techskill prerequisite

is ssb4 better than melee? they're too different to compare. if you try to say melee's better, you'd be doing it by putting ssb4 on melee's standards of what smash is, so obviously giving the advantage to melee
if you say ssb4's better you're doing the same thing but the other way around (like saying a modern game is better than a renowned classic if you put them by modern standards)

does ssb4 do things better than melee? hell yes lol, you need to literally worship melee to be biased enough to not realize that
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