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| 10 Dec 2015 08:49 AM |
⊁▬[Vaktovian Debating Assembly] -Session 001. Sunday 13th December▬⊀
[READ EVERYTHING IN THIS THREAD CAREFULLY IF YOU WISH TO PARTAKE OF EVENTS]
⊁▬Overview▬⊀ The Vaktovian Debating Assembly is a weekly event that is hosted alongside the officer meeting and occurs at the end of the week. Founded and hosted by Domeboybeene, the Assembly's main aim is to teach individuals about the benefits and methods of discussing points, refuting arguments and putting forward notions in a group discussion format. As well as giving individuals something to do when officer meetings are underway, the Assembly serves as a testament to the civility of Vaktovian individuals.
The Assembly extends a warm hand to any Vaktovians, VAC or VAK:EP wishing to partake or spectate it's sessions. We keenly invite any and all people who take a joy in discussion and debate and anyone who would like to learn how real life debates work.
⊁▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬⊀ ⊁▬Introduction▬⊀ Hello Ladies and Gents. I'm quite proud to announce the first session of the Vaktovian Debating Assembly will convene this Sunday, 13th of December. We're very excited to see how this goes as the first session. Before getting underway we will initially start by teaching people how the procedures will work.
We will be using a Parliamentary 'House of Commons' style method of organisation within the sessions. I will post a procedural thread for the Parliamentary system in the description of the place. The event will be hosted here:
http://www.roblox.com/games/154219609/-
After the outlining of how each session will work, we will convene on the motion. Each session will have two motions to debate each session. The first two motions of the Debating Assembly are as follows:
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SECOND MOTION: 'This house believes that the recruitment centre does not do a good job at being entertaining.'
Plan your arguments carefully. Write them out on a notepad and any good points you have for or against. Hopefully we will get a variety of people agreeing or disagreeing with each motion. If not then we will ask people to make points for or against each notion, regardless of their standing on it. This will get people used to debating things they may necessarily not agree with, but understanding points for the other side's argument.
MAKE SURE YOUR ARGUMENTS COMPLY WITH THE PROCEDURES OF THE HOUSE OF COMMONS. I cannot stress that enough. That means no un-parliamentary language like swearing or bluntly offensive terms like, for example 'idiot'. If the criticism of people is necessary then it should be done in a sophisticated or witty manner.
If you're unsure about anything let me know in a PM and I will get back to you.
⊁▬[Vaktovian Debating Assembly] -Session 001. Sunday 13th December▬⊀ |
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fleetcom
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mitsu1000
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| 10 Dec 2015 09:07 AM |
"'This house believes that members in the "Retired Vaktovians" rank should have no authority in the Empire.'"
Motion invalid.
They already don't. |
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koen523
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| 10 Dec 2015 09:12 AM |
/9bssy1
prntscr
The face when I win the argument.
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| 10 Dec 2015 09:38 AM |
"Motion invalid.
They already don't."
Whatever the current situation in the Vaktovian Empire, points will be debated on interesting topics of in regard to recent events. This is just to encourage debate and discussion and to promote cohesive thinking, irrespective of what is being discussed.
I must remind individuals this is not here to change the way Vaktovia is run, regardless of how controversial the topics may be. The Empire reserves the right to not take anything we say into account. |
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lnhumane
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| 10 Dec 2015 09:53 AM |
Following a retired vaktovians orders is just showing respect.
But if they're going to the recruitment centre everyday and ordering people they shouldn't be ranked as retired. |
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mitsu1000
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| 10 Dec 2015 09:58 AM |
Even if things WERE going to change about it it's like protesting against the death penalty in countries that already have it banned.
Pointless.
Rephrase it to "(...) retired Vaktovians should have authority (...)" and then it'll make sense if you want to have an argument about it being changed,
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"(...) retired Vaktovians should CONTINUE not having any authority (...)" if you want to have an argument about it continuing as it is. |
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| 10 Dec 2015 10:10 AM |
Mitsu. Please refer to my key phrase in the statement.
"This house believes" is not "This house wants to change". By saying "this house believes" we realize that, irrespective of the current reality, that that is what we believe in.
Please understand that this not a form of protest or a way to change things, as I have already previously stated. This is just an event in which members can develop informed opinions on topics and develop skills to debate and discuss with members of their own community.
You have unfortunately not interpreted the statement properly. I would highly recommend you come along and give your point of order though. |
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| 10 Dec 2015 10:10 AM |
Can I join? I want to join vac but them wall are fcen hard |
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| 10 Dec 2015 10:13 AM |
| Why don't you just tell him that they were examples |
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mitsu1000
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| 10 Dec 2015 10:36 AM |
... I'm pretty sure I wasn't talking in complicated words and everyone was able to understand what I'm saying but I guess it wasn't true...
Leave it to Gannex to host disputes please. |
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| 10 Dec 2015 10:42 AM |
Mitsu I'll just let you know for the final time that what you have said is perfectly readable. What you failed to realize is that this event will be a very calm and professional parliamentary session, to promote keen thinking and cohesive debate.
This is not to create disputes or host them. This is not to change systems in The Vaktovian Empire and I'm very sorry that you've not understood that the first time I explained this.
I would suggest this is exactly why an event like this would be beneficial to the Empire. So that debate is not confused with disputes and that men and women alike can calmly agree and disagree and make informed judgments.
I would highly recommend you attend this so you understand what will be occurring here without making presumptions or jumping to rash conclusions. |
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| 10 Dec 2015 10:54 AM |
Both of you shut the hell up. Dome is right because dome master race.
Relic of the Clan World |
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mitsu1000
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| 10 Dec 2015 11:07 AM |
I said UNDERSTAND not READ
You keep going on about not wanting to change things when I have not once said that is what your purpose is.
I said you are trying to have an invalid dispute, which it is.
"So that debate is not confused with dispute"
... And then you realize that the synonym of dispute is debate, and the synonym of debate is dispute. It's the exact same thing, picking a subject and making arguments for or against it.
You do not understand the very concept of the thing you are trying to do, please just leave it to Gannex. He has EI members working on a place for it as well, or was from what I know, since this happened a few months ago in the V.A.C vs VAK dispute. |
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| 10 Dec 2015 11:14 AM |
Ultimately choices are made by vaktus. Even if all the low ranks in VAK agreed to a change but the officers and generals disagree with it then it would all mean nothing. |
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| 10 Dec 2015 11:25 AM |
Debate: "a formal discussion on a particular matter in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward and which usually ends with a vote."
Dispute: "a disagreement or argument."
A debate is very different to a dispute as each definition describes. Even if they were not, it's important to remember that when done correctly a dispute is not illegal in the eyes of Vaktovian Law.
Therefore I will be ignoring your recommendation to leave it to someone else. If you have a problem with the fact that it is me hosting it and not another then you'll just have to live with that, unfortunately.
What is trying to be done at this event is not instigate change and I have had to reiterate this many times for people, not just yourself, as this is a key negative point for them when they look at this concept.
As for your point, I am part of real life debating societies and organisation. I have obtained a Grade 7 qualification in LAMDA Public Speaking and have spoken to university lecturers on controversial and social issues in the past. I know how debate works and how to facilitate discussion in a way that does not cause chaos and is beneficial for all. I understand the concept of debate.
I highly suggest you come along to it and see for yourself what will actually occur here. before branding it with a presumptuous opinion that this is a slippery slope. That in itself is an argumentative fallacy and does not stand up in debate, and that's something I will teach here alongside many other things.
A large portion of people support this as they believe it will bring everyone to like-minded conclusions on things, resolve huge arguments by teaching people professional debate methods and therefore create a more intelligent and thoughtful community in the Empire.
The event will be continuing and men will be attending and I suggest many people do. |
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| 10 Dec 2015 11:26 AM |
888min3, thank you for highlighting this.
Please refer to my statement that the means of this event is to teach people proper thinking and to give people the proper tools to come to informed decisions. This will not be a method of change for The Vaktovian Empire. |
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| 10 Dec 2015 11:28 AM |
Then why debate dome? If your not discussing future possible changes for the officer corp to agree to then you are wasting time for the most part. There isn't purpose in this if it doesn't instigate at least the officers discussing the topics. |
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| 10 Dec 2015 11:32 AM |
Steamsport, when debating societies around the world discuss controversial topics, the likelihood no one is going to look at the result and change something about it.
The government do not say "Look, this random debating society in a public school in south wales convened and came to the conclusion that lowering in taxes would be better, so we'll do it".
Under this logic, that'd make all debating societies in the world completely pointless. That is not true. The societies teach people how to come to informed conclusions and understand points that they may not necessarily agree with. This would help VAK as people tend to become very violent when having disputes. Teaching debate would help release tension and make members more professional in their thinking. |
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| 10 Dec 2015 11:43 AM |
Would attend, but 1. Busy on that day 2. Probably will be ignored in debates 3. Could care a little less about those topics that I find no relevance to myself and what I do in the Empire. |
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| 10 Dec 2015 11:51 AM |
Okay but your not discussing world events your discussing Vak
And I think you generalized most people to be lower ranks.
So if you debate And a large majority agrees You assume no one is going to do anything Then why are you debating? It's not worth people time to poor time into a debate on how officers can improve themselves And nothing happens.
Your logic is saying that this debate is on a grade school level and the officer corp is like the U.S. Government
Which in comparison is hyperbole and not at all good |
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| 10 Dec 2015 12:03 PM |
Okay, so it doesn't matter whether it's world events or Vaktovian events. The only difference is that world events are much more important to real life than Vaktovian events.
Now, since this will be hosted at roughly the same time as officer meetings, I would be justified in thinking the only people who are going to be there are low ranks, as High ranks are at the Officer meeting.
As for large majorities agreeing on things. VAK reserves the right to look at that and take that into account or not. It's up to them. This is just being done to teach people.
I did not compare the event to a grade school. It was an analogy, not a direct comparison.
Hyperbole can be good if used correctly. |
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