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Re: Is Metalcore Really Metal?

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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 10:25 PM
Metalcore is on the line between metal and hardcore, so debate springs up about whether it is metal or hardcore. Some people say it's metal, some say it's hardcore, and some say it comes down to individual bands. I'd like to hear people's opinions on this. Is metalcore just metal, is it just hardcore, does it come down to individual bands, or can it be both simultaneously? Please share your opinions.
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1Riblock1 is not online. 1Riblock1
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25 Nov 2015 10:26 PM
it's considered hardcore-influenced metal
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BENSTILLHAUNTS is not online. BENSTILLHAUNTS
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25 Nov 2015 10:27 PM
Metalcore is a sub-genre of punk, along with all -core genres.
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 10:28 PM
I think it comes down to individual bands, since some are more hardcore influenced, and some are more metal influenced.
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1Riblock1 is not online. 1Riblock1
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25 Nov 2015 10:31 PM
from what i know, the industry generally considers it metal, but metalheads themselves think they can "disown" it because it's "emo" or something
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 10:33 PM
The industry is very weird with its naming. Like I said, I think it comes down to individual bands, and what influenced them more. The first metalcore bands were hardcore bands with metal influences, and more recent bands are metal bands with hardcore influences. You get what I'm trying to say?
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1Riblock1 is not online. 1Riblock1
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25 Nov 2015 10:35 PM
i do, but while there are some parts of the industry that don't make any sense at all, i do like to use a more objective definition; honestly, though, i don't know about how the industry grades metalcore and just evaluating the individual bands could be best
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BENSTILLHAUNTS is not online. BENSTILLHAUNTS
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25 Nov 2015 10:37 PM
"I think it comes down to individual bands, since some are more hardcore influenced, and some are more metal influenced."

That's as may be, but they're still punk bands since metalcore in itself is a punk sub-genre.

"from what i know, the industry generally considers it metal, but metalheads themselves think they can "disown" it because it's "emo" or something"

They disregard it because the fanbase consists of a lot of scene kids. I don't disown it at all because some of my favorite bands are metalcore.
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 10:38 PM
Yea. Fun fact though, metalcore was originally a term for what we now call crossover thrash. If you don't know what crossover thrash is, Municipal Waste are an example of crossover thrash, to describe it, thrash metal with a bit more hardcore influence than normal thrash metal.
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25 Nov 2015 10:44 PM
"Yea. Fun fact though, metalcore was originally a term for what we now call crossover thrash. If you don't know what crossover thrash is, Municipal Waste are an example of crossover thrash, to describe it, thrash metal with a bit more hardcore influence than normal thrash metal."

crossover thrash is generally more of a middle ground between thrash and hardcore punk, while metalcore is a straight sub-genre of punk that's influenced by heavy metal.
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 10:46 PM
I know, but the word "metalcore" itself was originally used to describe bands that would now be called crossover thrash.
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JunJoe is not online. JunJoe
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25 Nov 2015 10:47 PM
Did You Know?
Metalcore is a subgenre of Rock
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 10:48 PM
It's actually a subgenre of a subgenre of a subgenre, which means it itself is not directly a subgenre of rock.
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JunJoe is not online. JunJoe
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25 Nov 2015 10:50 PM
thats like saying we dont share a common ancestor with chimpanzees
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 10:50 PM
Considering I'm a Christian, I very well do say that.
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JunJoe is not online. JunJoe
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25 Nov 2015 10:51 PM
i mean you CAN be a christian and not be stupid also
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 10:52 PM
Now you've gone from funny to flat out offensive. I don't believe in evolution, I'm not stupid because of it.
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BENSTILLHAUNTS is not online. BENSTILLHAUNTS
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25 Nov 2015 10:53 PM
"Now you've gone from funny to flat out offensive."

are you implying Jun was ever funny? he's a troll and a meme kid, and like rib, his posts should never be taken seriously.
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 10:54 PM
@BENSTILLHAUNTS I though some of what he said was funny.
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JunJoe is not online. JunJoe
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25 Nov 2015 10:57 PM
I don't believe in evolution
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it happens with/without your belief, its science
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 10:58 PM
It's also just a theory, meaning it has not been proven. I'm content to say that I don't know, and I'll ask the Good Lord when I get the chance. He'll tell me.
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JunJoe is not online. JunJoe
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25 Nov 2015 10:58 PM
he's a troll and a meme kid, and like rib, his posts should never be taken seriously.

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you always take us seriously, as you should, we're both very serious individuals
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JunJoe is not online. JunJoe
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25 Nov 2015 11:00 PM
It's also just a theory, meaning it has not been proven.

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gravity is also a theory
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 11:01 PM
Difference is, we have observed gravity and know it exists through everyday interaction. The reason gravity is a theory is because we cannot accurately describe how or why it works.
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BENSTILLHAUNTS is not online. BENSTILLHAUNTS
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25 Nov 2015 11:01 PM
"you always take us seriously, as you should, we're both very serious individuals"

it's more or less you take me seriously when I'm being post-ironic.
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