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BetrayedInTheOctagon is not online. BetrayedInTheOctagon
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25 Nov 2015 05:54 PM
no flame wars, no crapposting, just honest music discussion

let's see how long this'll last



so how about the new kendrick album
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BENSTILLHAUNTS is not online. BENSTILLHAUNTS
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25 Nov 2015 05:55 PM
didn't listen to it.
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BetrayedInTheOctagon is not online. BetrayedInTheOctagon
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25 Nov 2015 05:56 PM
i recommend you listen to it
kinda long but it's good enough that it'll seem much shorter than the actual runtime
not my favorite album of the year but certainly up there
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25 Nov 2015 05:57 PM
"i recommend you listen to it
kinda long but it's good enough that it'll seem much shorter than the actual runtime
not my favorite album of the year but certainly up there"

is it somewhere on YouTube? if so, link?
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 06:02 PM
on the Kendrick album, I didn't listen to it. I don't really like rap.
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25 Nov 2015 06:02 PM
sadly it's not up in one video but here's a playlist with every song in order
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0QtdISwioc&index=1&list=PLXjheddE7eqPaK_6lhgmAi2UWwH6g33Iy
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25 Nov 2015 06:03 PM
"on the Kendrick album, I didn't listen to it. I don't really like rap."


now why don't you like rap?
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 06:05 PM
It lacks musicality. I like instrumental talent, I'm a big thrash metal guy because of the intense musicality.
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25 Nov 2015 06:07 PM
"It lacks musicality. I like instrumental talent, I'm a big thrash metal guy because of the intense musicality."


a lot of rap music takes immense skill, whether it be crafting lyrics, constructing a beat (it's more than just messing around in a computer software)
you still need to know how to craft a song and basic skills of making music
saying an entire genre lacks musicality is incredibly ignorant


and out of fear of this thread being ruined, it's not like thrash metal is a genre of immense talent
sure you get bands like vektor and watchtower, but most thrash metal is more of a mess around have fun genre, like anthrax or municipal waste
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25 Nov 2015 06:07 PM
uh you do realize the album has top notch production and great instrumentalists like kamasi washington and thundercat
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 06:11 PM
Mess around, have fun, genre, that is not accurate. Anthrax may not be extremely talented, and I wouldn't consider Municipal Waste to be thrash, but, bands like Vektor, Testament, Death Angel, Megadeth, Kreator, there is insane instrumental talent there, and, I'm listening to the Kendrick album, and it is not an easy listen, the lyrics make no sense. Also, top notch production doesn't mean anything. Some of the best albums ever were produced pretty badly.
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25 Nov 2015 06:13 PM
by production i mean beat producing
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25 Nov 2015 06:15 PM
Most rap beats sound overly simple for my tastes. I get why they're not overly complicated, but, the simplicity bores me.
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25 Nov 2015 06:16 PM
"the lyrics make no sense"

lol


i'm gonna let you know a little something about me

i used to be a thrash kid in 8th and 9th grade
i still listened to other music, including rap, but my favorite genre was thrash metal
i eventually grew out of that phase, because the genre got very stale for me


and yeah, i like some of the bands you mentioned but i'd never say they're top tier talents aside from alex skolnick and some of megadeth's past guitarists
most thrash instrumentation is actually incredibly simple

if the lyrics in the new kendrick album don't make sense to you then you clearly aren't listening well enough and just getting a shallow interpretation of the lyrics
he's saying a lot more than just "THIS **** AIN'T FREEEEEEE" is what i'm saying
and even that song he's saying more than you'd think upon a first shallow listen
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25 Nov 2015 06:17 PM
kendricks beats on tpab are jazzy and simple isnt bad
are you saying punk is bad?
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 06:20 PM
I know simple isn't bad, but, I actually don't like punk. And yes while most thrash rhythms are not overly complicated, there are moments of extreme complexity, like solos and such. Rob Cavestany from Death Angel is a very good guitarist, and like has been already said, Alex from Testament is very good, but when people mention Megadeth, they always forget that Dave Mustaine is no slouch at playing.
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thebobx is not online. thebobx
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25 Nov 2015 06:21 PM
dave mustaine is a power chord guy, man
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LordMortarion is not online. LordMortarion
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25 Nov 2015 06:21 PM
power chords aren't hard
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BetrayedInTheOctagon is not online. BetrayedInTheOctagon
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25 Nov 2015 06:22 PM
dave mustaine has never been a great soloist honestly
especially being in the shadow of other, much better, guitarists (chris poland, marty friedman, chris broderick, just to name a few)


tell me how the production and instrumentation on TPAB is simple and how the lyrics make no sense

i'd like to know
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 06:22 PM
Not always, many Megadeth songs are way more than power chords.
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25 Nov 2015 06:23 PM
"Not always, many Megadeth songs are way more than power chords."


just like rap is much more than you give it credit for
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thebobx is not online. thebobx
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25 Nov 2015 06:23 PM
yeah and the parts that arent power chords arent being played by dave
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 06:23 PM
I like Dave Mustaine's solos, and I honestly don't think Broderick is an extremely good player, but, obviously, rap beats are simple to facilitate lyrical flow, and lyrically, I'm not hearing anything but swears and innuendo.
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Enderman704 is not online. Enderman704
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25 Nov 2015 06:24 PM
Dude, Holy Wars, the riff for that song isn't power chords.
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25 Nov 2015 06:24 PM
"rap beats are simple to facilitate lyrical flow, and lyrically, I'm not hearing anything but swears and innuendo."


congrats you didn't answer my question, very clearly didn't actually listen to the music, and just stereotyped

you're no better than the people who say metal is just noise and screaming
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