Treticle
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| 18 Nov 2015 10:24 AM |
Roblox's economy hasn't been doing very well. The average user (without Builder's Club) can hardly buy anything- but it wasn't always like this.
Roblox's population has been steadily growing over the years, skyrocketing in fact. We're popular! That's great because now we have a great influx of new players with new ideas.
However, every player receives a minimum daily income of 10 tix a day.
Back in the day, with a smaller population- this worked okay. But with the intense growth of population, more and more tix are being generated for daily income. This creates inflation- making the tix less valuable, resulting in an increase in cost for... well everything that a player pays for.
This is also the reason why the Price Floor happened. Without it, the economy would have died. (Btw, the price floor is what makes player-made clothing so expensive, with 100tix as the minimum price. This is 100 times more than what the minimum price used to be [1 tix])
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Treticle
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| 18 Nov 2015 10:25 AM |
Point is, we need a new economic system. Otherwise, taxes on player goods is only going to increase as a result of the never-ending growth of inflation.
Here's my idea, v.1:
Remove NBC Daily Income, (or Login Award).
Although it is nice for players to receive a login award so they can customize their characters and run ads. However, all they are doing is logging into an account. This is in no way a promise that they are even going to contribute anything to the site.
In fact, from the moment they join, the 10 tix that they get which seems to just appear out of thin air makes tix that much more worthless.
In response to losing the daily login, Roblox will simply have to introduce new ways for NBC players to make tix. Maybe they could introduce something like a game-testing feature, where players get paid to test new games. Or maybe a kick starter-like system, where players can pledge to start a project if x amount of tix is donated. (Of course if they don't do the project and scam people, they will lose every penny).
The programs that Roblox would need to create to compensate for removing daily login is a matter that would have to be discussed later.
We can all at least agree that no one should get tickets for simply existing. Especially considering how every server that you play on (Which is free for you btw) is paid for by Roblox. They have to pay for every server on every game.
NBC currently can: -make their own game and profit from it (costs roblox money) -play on other games (costs Roblox money) -buy clothing to customize their character with the money they have (making hats costs roblox money)
That's a lot of free stuff for someone that doesn't directly contribute anything to the developers. (By paying them)
BUT putting what NBC already has aside, hold on a moment, they will also gain something out of this.
NBC should then be given the ability to make clothes- like shirts and pants. They can even go as far as to choose the prices for them. But they will NOT profit from their sales. The tix paid will be deleted, leaving less tix in the economy, REVERSING the inflation, INCREASING the value of the tix.
Now of course at this point some people are going to say "No Support, giving NBC BC benefits is in the WNTS." And they would be absolutely right.
Let's take a moment to analyze clothes-making as a Builder's Club feature. Why do people make clothes?
- To make profit. - So they can wear them
Well then, I think the solution is quite clear. If the creator of a shirt wants to wear his shirt, he has to pay for it too. It's just like real life, you have to pay for the resources to make the shirt right? With the current pricing, that's a minimum of 100 tix for his shirt.
Builder's Club users will still have the exclusive benefits of being able to wear their own clothes(for no cost), and to profit off of their clothes.
Take a look at the benefit of this though, decreased inflation. Ticket inflation will finally be under control- STABILIZED. Roblox will have a much more stable economy. |
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Treticle
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| 18 Nov 2015 10:29 AM |
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Now, probably going to get a lot of hate/create a lot of controversy for this idea, but at least I'm trying to come up with ideas.
Because there's at least one thing we can all agree with- We all hate the Price Floor.
But right now it's the only thing that's saving the ticket- so we can actually still buy stuff with it.
TOO LONG DIDN'T READ: remove daily login for NBC, allow NBC to sell shirts- but they still have to pay to wear them- and cannot profit, create new ways for NBCers to make tickets.
And all of this, because the Price Floor made everything waaay too expensive. |
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Xanad
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| 18 Nov 2015 10:35 AM |
so like:
>tries to sell shirt >you have to pay to sell (wtf) >no one bothers to buy your clothing since there's still copying method >no use of buying hats in the catalog without login award >still lessens benefits >overall your ideas are WNTS |
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Treticle
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| 18 Nov 2015 10:41 AM |
no, like:
>sells shirt >doesn't have to pay to sell to others, but has to pay so that THEY can wear their own clothes
However >no one bothers to buy your clothing since there's still copying method
This is a problem anyways? They're just going to have to fix it.
>no use of buying hats in the catalog without login award I said that Roblox would create new ways for NBC'ers to make tix without the login award.
>still lessens benefits ehh. They gain part of a benefit (making clothes), but from now on have to work to gain any tix. It's just capitalism m8.
>overall your ideas are WNTS They're 'sorta' WNTS. I'm just opening the door for discussion here. Tickets are just gonna keep decreasing in value until they do ANOTHER Price Floor. |
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FishEye18
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| 18 Nov 2015 12:25 PM |
In reality Treticle, most users are not going to read your whole thread and start flaming it solely because they can't read more than five sentences without TL;DRing the thread.
While you have a valid point with the Tix coming out of nowhere, the only solution I see for fixing this is to simply lock the tix rate at 10 tix = 1 robux. Then everyone will be happy.
On the other hand, it is quite annoying I have to go and ask one of my BC friends to upload a shirt I made for myself after roblox fixed the fact NBCs could make clothing through groups. I personally blame the NBC shirt creator groups, it resulted in thousands of NBCs copying clothing simply so they wouldn't have to pay. It did not help that the group then decided to release a bookmark link that allowed you to copy any shirt without the white bars that protected it. (The group owner should have been banned permanently for that and the group deleted, that book mark stands on the grounds of being an exploit.)
I would not mind paying to wear my own shirt. Hell, it would make the NBCs stop copying shirts because it would be the same price tag as most of the clothing they would be copying. |
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Treticle
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| 18 Nov 2015 02:44 PM |
@FishEye18 "In reality Treticle, most users are not going to read your whole thread and start flaming it solely because they can't read more than five sentences without TL;DRing the thread."
Oh believe me I know.
Although the support of the community would be nice, what matters to me is if an admin sees my idea, because no matter what, it's all up to them what happens next.
Thanks for the support though.
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| 18 Nov 2015 03:11 PM |
"Although it is nice for players to receive a login award so they can customize their characters and run ads. However, all they are doing is logging into an account. This is in no way a promise that they are even going to contribute anything to the site."
your contributing by playing the game that the admins and mods made. Your basically helping keep ROBLOX active by being active yourself. Just a thought mate |
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Treticle
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| 18 Nov 2015 03:18 PM |
@Hulkmaster
That's true, except that Roblox is still having to pay for most of everything you do (Hosting Servers, Paying for data to be stored, etc.)
Back in the days when there weren't many users that was a big deal.
Not so much today. |
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Treticle
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hamahama1
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| 19 Nov 2015 09:57 AM |
There ISEN'T an inflation Tickets rarely, actually almost never go from an account to another
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Treticle
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| 19 Nov 2015 10:11 AM |
@hamahama1 "There ISEN'T an inflation Tickets rarely, actually almost never go from an account to another" [citation needed]
Also, tickets go from an account to another when something is bought. Users buy things all the time.
If Tix inflation didn't exist, then the exchange rate from tix->robux would be fixed at 1 robux = 20tix or 1 robux = 10tix. Inflation is why that fluctuates- any why exchanging tix for robux is so much more expensive today than 5 years ago. |
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| 19 Nov 2015 03:52 PM |
| im nbc and i can buy a lot of clothes and hats that I want. lol |
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Treticle
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| 08 Dec 2015 01:51 PM |
| Bump. Mind you, not really expecting support- but i'm hoping that this creates discussion so we can get an idea that works. |
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fixylol
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| 08 Dec 2015 01:57 PM |
i think this is a good idea, but atleast give nbcers some profit. they need some way to get money. i think a 70% tax is good, that way they still get money but not too much.
Number of times opinion has changed: Alot. |
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Treticle
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| 08 Dec 2015 02:47 PM |
I put that they wouldn't receive profit because I'm trying my best to keep this from being labeled as WNTS. Profiting from goods I would consider as a BC benefit.
[Although I would totally support some profit, it's not a popular with the devs & strict WNTS enforcers] |
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marfit
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| 08 Dec 2015 02:58 PM |
| I read it all. I love reading. Just remove tix. Then the robux value increases from the loss of trade currency. And each NBC can simply not cry. Also you saying those 3 things were "more than enough". Go to Jump-Start and Club Penguin. That is where you learn that free games suck, and this game should just be P2P. You see how those games are so much fun and you are able to have fun without paying 9.99E+99 dollars to be decent and have decent stuff like a fedora and sunglasses. |
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lmmy
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| 08 Dec 2015 03:07 PM |
THere are two ways to fix this.
1) Remove Tix entirely, its really not needed 2) Remove ways for NBC to get tix, make space visit profits OBC only, make gamepasses BC only, remove the login award entirely
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hamahama1
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| 09 Dec 2015 11:36 AM |
" NBC can simply not cry" >mfw categorizing |
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