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Re: Forcing players to be able to see neons?

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Scriptulus is not online. Scriptulus
Joined: 05 Jul 2013
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21 Oct 2015 01:48 AM
I recall there was a way to force players graphics to a certain level or allow them to see neons regardless of their graphics level.

Is this possible? if so how is it done?
I dont care if its an unofficial "Hacky" method.
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cntkillme is not online. cntkillme
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21 Oct 2015 02:04 AM
If there is a way, you shouldn't use it. There is a reason that property exists, and it should stay under the client's control, not yours.

You're doing something wrong
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chimmihc is not online. chimmihc
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21 Oct 2015 02:14 AM
I would report any game that somehow did that for trying to break my potato I use for playing games.
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Scriptulus is not online. Scriptulus
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21 Oct 2015 02:15 AM
Yeah i only need neons to be visible to everyone.

What if i was making a game where theres only one part that is a neon in the Workspace?
Dont tell me what i should be using.

I know that people with bad computers would be annoyed, but then again it is a small game.
I want to know how to make neons visible to everyone, the rest doesnt concern you.

So what theres a property for it?
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chimmihc is not online. chimmihc
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21 Oct 2015 02:56 AM
There is no way to do this for a very good reason. If you really want your game to not be playable by bad pcs then just add 100K parts to it.
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BothAngles is not online. BothAngles
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21 Oct 2015 03:11 AM
Thank god this is one of the few things devs aren't allowed to change


for now...
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AmbientOcclusion is not online. AmbientOcclusion
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21 Oct 2015 04:30 AM
yes
let us be grateful to roblox


but you could use billboardguis around a part
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MKofOrbiter is not online. MKofOrbiter
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21 Oct 2015 05:29 AM
It can hurt a user's eyes over time; well it sure does hurt mine sometimes...


Why would you want to use a Hacky method....
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Scriptulus is not online. Scriptulus
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05 Nov 2015 07:14 PM
Old thread, reviving because still valid and unanswered.


I alredy know how to lag people's computers to render them temporarily obsolete, im assuming any other decent scripter here knows how to do that aswell. Its not black magic.

If im a stupid developer, or whatever reason you kids will bring out : then fine, nobody will play my games, they're boring and laggy.

The question here is How do you force graphic settings of a player to be all the way up?
As i said, the rest doesnt concern you people, You can tell me its impossible, altough i know its feasible, But coming here and telling me how its going to make my game laggy, lol please who are you people. a small compact game with neons isnt gonna be any more laggy than a game 10x its size with low graphics, i am making a very SMALL GAME indeed, wich a any mobile device can support because its so ridiculously easy to run.

Dont tell me about lag, assume i want to use this very method to crash people's game as you fools believe would happen.

So how is it done then?

My game relies on neons, it is very important that i display them. Even if that means sacrificing scripts and map size in order to have it unlaggy.

I dont even have a bedroom anymore, just an industrial storage room with computers&hardware stacked up to the ceiling, I have PLENTY of different devices to perform lag-tests, I dont expect players to have beast computers.



Quit with the "lag" & "you shouldnt"
This is why nobody wants to come to the scripters forum anymore and rather ask OffTopic on other forums, you guys just dont provide answers even when you do have them.
Im not even asking for a script, just a method and ill write it myself..
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cntkillme is not online. cntkillme
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05 Nov 2015 07:16 PM
haha skidiot alert
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Scriptulus is not online. Scriptulus
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05 Nov 2015 08:08 PM
"Skid"
Whether you mean "Script kiddie" or just "Skid" related to any other stupid definition you'd find on UrbanDictionary, just know that throwing insults out of the blues is pretty easy, i could go and say a bunch of stupid meaningless stuff about you, but i do not know you. Doing so would make me look stupid, while also reflecting the fact that i probably would be. All i can say is that you're doing that very action, but please,tell me more about how i am a "Skid" and why you think so.

Tell me more about your 40,000 forum posts and how cool you must be calling people names to make yourself look all bold and tough infront of this large crowd of impressionable kids. You must be pretty cool cntkill, so cool you went and named yourself "CantKillMe", lemme guess, your liscence plate looks a bit like "2Fast4You"? You're cool m8.
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cntkillme is not online. cntkillme
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05 Nov 2015 08:09 PM
DoctorKust, aka Skidiot
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DeveloperBlue is not online. DeveloperBlue
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05 Nov 2015 08:26 PM
"reviving because still valid and unanswered."

"Quit with the "lag" & "you shouldnt"
This is why nobody wants to come to the scripters forum anymore and rather ask OffTopic on other forums, you guys just dont provide answers even when you do have them.
Im not even asking for a script, just a method and ill write it myself.."

First off, you were already answered twice.

"Thank god this is one of the few things devs aren't allowed to change"
- BothAngles

While that wasn't a direct answer, anyone could tell you it implies us as developers cannot change it.

"There is no way to do this for a very good reason"
- chimmihc

That, however, is a very direct answer.

There is no provided way to force the client's graphics level, and for a very very good reason. Just because *you* claim to not want to abuse it, does not exclude the fact that there are many out there who do. If such a feature did exist (It does not), the last thing anyone would want is for it to be public information.
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LegendaryAccount is not online. LegendaryAccount
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05 Nov 2015 08:50 PM
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jecoconono is not online. jecoconono
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05 Nov 2015 09:01 PM
Dude, seriously, if you put some peoples graphics to max you might seriously break their computers! I am not joking by the way, roblox on my older computers made them overheat and shut down at half quality... There is a reason its impossible you know..
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Klink45 is not online. Klink45
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05 Nov 2015 09:04 PM
TO ANSWER OPs QUESTION...
There is no way to change the player's graphics level, however, there is a H4XY way to get a part look like a neon material.

BillboardGuis with images like this in them:
http://www.roblox.com/Yellow-Dynamic-Light-item?id=54610937

This is what we used before dynamic lighting.

u sicko!
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JarodOfOrbiter is not online. JarodOfOrbiter
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05 Nov 2015 09:04 PM
My other computer can't even run Roblox correctly on account of not supporting any shader model at all.
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Scriptulus is not online. Scriptulus
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05 Nov 2015 09:15 PM
Developer, you have to understand that there are various hacky methods to get to an end.

If you had access to things outside the roblox studio, there isnt much that you couldnt realistically program out of it. All coming down to how much computer power you have, you could simulate windows or Mac OS itself entirelly, it allows you to program things. you could use roblox lua in a raspberry PI and do just about anything that is technologically feasible.
That is very powerful, perhaps too powerful to be contained with proper restrictions.

What im trying to say is this ; Roblox voluntarily puts restrictions on what you are able to do and script, but given they restrain you using programming aswell, it is fighting fire with fire. The results are uncertain. One can make his way trough the programming and either simulate a feature's effect or completely take access to it in a way that wasnt intended to happen.

Tool glitch for mouse icons, Local lighting, etc all things that arent meant to be but have been made anyways. Theyre 'Hacky" methods, it is all im looking for.
If you guys have no clue how to do it, thats great, people did it before.

Back in my days we'd be scriptbuilding in games without uses of external programs via glitches and had people pull off stunts like Spending your robux on items without your conscent. Anyone remembers that 10 Tix cap Auto-Buy script? Now that was something worth noticing for its potentially harmful effects. Respect to the founder of the loophole for not using it.


ANYWAYS :

Theres a way to do it. You're not suposed to, but theres a way.
Im looking to know how. Much like every single other hacky glitches that have made my Final silence game stand out before all these easy access script features showed up a year or so ago, there would always be those people ( You all replying to me ) telling me its impossible, telling me how/why i cant/shouldnt do something, or just calling me an idiot like this one kid. In the end, i got my answer a few days later, the same people came and unconciously asked me how i did it, not remembering i was that guy on the forum they told it couldnt be done.


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Its always weird or ugly code, but the result works. These little
glitches/hacky game dev tricks are what made games so great and got roblox to make it real features when they figured fixing such a glitch would take out big games that gets THEM money. It is the reason why roblox improves and gets better, People kept pushing out of the box, so they made the box bigger.


You cant answer? Thats cool, move on. Think its impossible? Dont care, seen it.

Free-D anyone? super recent exploit in the roblox union (CSG) coding that allowed you to insert mesh data and create any custom meshes, wich today still stand as unions, unmoderated. Whats your say on that? Has nothing to do with this? was an exclusive case?
Roblox is filled with holes, grabbing whats on the other side isnt hard, You guys just have to quit being so close minded.
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TheBenSquare is not online. TheBenSquare
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05 Nov 2015 09:20 PM
OP, you should look at this.

https://en.help.roblox.com/hc/en-us/articles/203313410-ROBLOX-Rules-of-Conduct#Cheating and Exploiting

It's against the rules for you to be attempting this and it would be against the rules for any of us to tell you how to do so if any of us knew how. Just about everyone is helping you right now, but not how you'd like them to help you. They are preventing you from breaking the rules, or at least trying to prevent you from attempting to do so.
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chimmihc is not online. chimmihc
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05 Nov 2015 09:22 PM
Please give the link to this place that does this. Can't?
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Scriptulus is not online. Scriptulus
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05 Nov 2015 09:30 PM
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DeveloperBlue is not online. DeveloperBlue
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05 Nov 2015 09:35 PM
"Developer, you have to understand that there are various hacky methods to get to an end."

Cool, but I specifically said

"implies us as developers cannot change it."
"There is no provided way to force the client's graphics level,"
"If such a feature did exist (It does not) ..."

I wasn't talking about hacky ways at all. I'm just telling you there is no provided method.

Chances are, the 'bug' you are trying to reproduce sounds like it's fairly old, and most likely has been patched. Robox has gone through some pretty significant upgrades compared to how it was prior. I attempted to search an unofficial bug tracker and nothing came up, meaning the knowledge of it's existence died out or it has been patched a long time ago.

Also

"super recent exploit in the roblox union (CSG) coding that allowed you to insert mesh data and create any custom meshes, wich today still stand as unions, unmoderated. Whats your say on that? Has nothing to do with this? was an exclusive case?
Roblox is filled with holes, grabbing whats on the other side isnt hard, You guys just have to quit being so close minded."

Not recent at all, and it's ridiculously easy to parse an .obj file into Roblox and union it. This isn't a hole, this is someone literally using provided features.
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Scriptulus is not online. Scriptulus
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05 Nov 2015 09:39 PM
@TheBenSquare
I respect your aproach to telling me why it is wrong to ask for this here and providing sources, I understand that cheating is against the rules.

I did not know it was really enforced as a rule to not speak about loopholes and glitches, i will not ask for this here again.


However do know that my answers and debating are source of close minded individuals claiming that a certain thing is Impossible to do or telling me Why i should take a different aproach, wich just pushes this thread into full Off-Topic.

Rather than telling me what you have told me (TheBenSquare), all i would get is a bunch of newbags who have no idea what they are talking about say anything but something close to a proper answer.



I still believe theres a way to do this, and i will find it, elsewhere.
Im not a moron, if its not allowed to post of this here AND i dont see many users potentially smart enough to answer basic questions the way you've answered it, i will obviously move somewhere, Thank you for just saying it the way it is, rather than turning around the bucket all day with PostCount hungry idiots such as cntkillme who thinks going all Ad hominem on someone will make your life better.
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chimmihc is not online. chimmihc
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05 Nov 2015 09:45 PM
Multiple times you have said you have seen this done, yet refuse to give ANY proof of said encounter. Logic points towards you lying because you are to immature to accept no as an answer. Grow up.
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Scriptulus is not online. Scriptulus
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05 Nov 2015 09:51 PM
@DeveloperBlue

No. Using Mesh data to inject in unions is as hacky as what i am trying to do here.
It is not meant to be done, altough left unpatched due to awareness that no moronic lowball developer will ever really do something significant with it, therefore being only of use to the big game devs that bring roblox some play value and makes them more BC money. If they wanted user meshes, there would be a real mesh upload feature.
You believe they intend and accept the idea that Anyone could import unmoderated 3D content? please lol they still moderate decals and audio.

Building roblox models with parts and unioning them is a feature. Yes.
Modifying the code using external programs or clever Lua scripts is just not meant to happen, it is not a feature.



You have never answered me in a way that said "It is not a feature"

Im obviously asking this because it isnt ont he Roblox Wiki, home of all(or most) basic scripting information.
There has been small glitch leaks on the wiki before that i cannot remember, saying how to do some things such as 60FPS before renderstepped (using .changed that updates faster than wait() since..ever)

Someone told me it wasnt okay to post such a request here, thats all i needed to know.
Im happy to put myself at risk by using a feature im not suposed to, however i respect the fact that it is hypocrisy to ask of something that is against the rules for people to Answer but not question, it would just get anyone truely helping me get in trouble.


Theres a way to do it, i dont know where i saw it, but i wouldnt be so peristant if i was lieing for a convenient argument just to prove myself right, I saw it before, forgot where, but now i need to do it. If i was here asking this solely under the assumption that any computerised software or data is modifiable and exploitable, i would be asking to solve much greater problems. But i am not. This is very basic.
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