WannaBet
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:29 PM |
| You dislike them because you do not agree with them, or do you merely disagree with them? |
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flybomb
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:30 PM |
| I'm saving this...this is true |
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:30 PM |
okay im muslim in the quran it does say like "disbelievers will go to hell" and stuff like that terrorist who call them selves muslim (they arent what they do isnt showing islam) they interpret the quran in a way saying killing disbelievers is good and also in the quran it says "kill one man is equal to killing all of man kind in gods eyes" |
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fleetcom
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:31 PM |
| marshal is boarding a plane to this thread |
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:33 PM |
| I'll defend my religion when I actually see a decent argument @WannaBet |
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:34 PM |
All these fake muslims "hur dur dose terorst not reel"
yes they are
If you're not fighting to make Islam #1 in the world as it says you're not a real muslim.
Just as you're not a christian if you don't do the same for christianity
The crusades were the real times. |
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WannaBet
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:34 PM |
| i dislike islam because the religion has stuck to its conservative roots (while christianity evolved and judaism became more of a background post-ww2) and because it is largely comprised of fundamentalists who view people with different gender or gender preferences less than themselves, believe in the killing of apostates, the interconnection of politics and religion, the unquestioning of the quran and the hadif and ton of other horrible values |
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:35 PM |
| I'm pretty sure its prohibited to enforce Islam onto the people. |
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WannaBet
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:36 PM |
| frozen, you ever heard of sharia law? |
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:36 PM |
@Frozen no it's not are you dumb
are you reading some LGBT version of the Qu'ran.
Muhammad your prophet had everything right, you newbags have everything wrong. |
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2uo
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:37 PM |
| Fair points, but I just don't dig most of the collateral effects of solutions people have thought up or made. |
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:37 PM |
thats not what sharia law is -_- you believe everything from the internet and media you prob havent read the quran sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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2uo
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:38 PM |
| begs the question of how much people are worth, and whether beating bad people is worth beating the good ones. |
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WannaBet
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:38 PM |
LORDintense i completely agree, like any religion, islam has lots of bad and lots of good
there are muslims like malala that are using their religion very positively by following the good only, and there are terror organization that only cherry pick the bad
PROBLEM IS, unlike christianity which has evolved to become subjectively read, the quran is meant to be followed through and through (every single point and teaching) WITHOUT QUESTIONING
i can see a reformist islamic branch being very good, but the issue is, current islamic leaders do NOT recognize it and the vast majority are fundamentalists who stick by thro and thro w/ holy books & scripture |
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WannaBet
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:40 PM |
sharia law is a legal system rooted in islam
and quite frankly, it's pretty damn substantiated by the book and oppressive as hell |
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:40 PM |
So you dislike Islam because you do not agree with the tenets you believe it espouses. I personally don't support the tenets you listed, but your reasoning only means something to someone who has already accepted that: 1. Sticking to conservative roots is bad. 2. Fundamentalism is bad. 3. Gender discrimination is bad. 4. Killing apostates is bad. 5. Theocracy is bad. 6. Unquestioning faith is bad.
Someone who accepts none of those claims could not be convinced by that argument. Indeed, an individual living a completely dispassionate life following the death of God (ie, think "no truth" as described by Nietzsche) wouldn't find this very convincing.
PS: I am familiar with post-nietzschean philosophy. I'm responding to you in this way to challenge you and your views so that we can all think a bit. |
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:40 PM |
I doubt that even 1% of christians are real christians
Like i doubt even 10% of muslims are real muslims.
They don't fight for their religion to make it #1.
they are no real.
DEUS VAULT
TIME FOR THE NEXT CRUSADE |
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:43 PM |
| Frozen is going to post something. I don't know what it is yet but I disagree! |
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:45 PM |
okay i see your point but its not like everyone follows every single point i mean likes its the 21st century |
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:48 PM |
i dislike islam because the religion has stuck to its conservative roots (while christianity evolved and judaism became more of a background post-ww2) and because it is largely comprised of fundamentalists who view people with different gender or gender preferences less than themselves, believe in the killing of apostates, the interconnection of politics and religion, the unquestioning of the quran and the hadif and ton of other horrible values ----------------------
"i dislike islam because the religion has stuck to its conservative roots"
Sticking to the 'conservative roots' is probably the biggest miracle within the religion of Islam, nothing has changed and the rules and guides that were set 1400 years ago are still current.
"and because it is largely comprised of fundamentalists who view people with different gender or gender preferences less than themselves"
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) fought for women rights during pre-Islamic Arabia, and I think you're confusing the laws in Saudi Arabia for the Islamic laws when it comes with equality between the genders.
"the interconnection of politics and religion, the unquestioning of the quran and the hadif and ton of other horrible values "
How is this bad? I don't see Christianity or Judaism having a flawless law system that is integrated within the religion. The reason why we don't question the Quran is because there are so many proven miracles within the Holy Book and the context and verses have not been changed till this day. Hadiths are stories or narrations of what the Prophet would do in situations and these 'situations' are things that happen to this day such as adultery and slander against women.
"sharia law is a legal system rooted in islam
and quite frankly, it's pretty damn substantiated by the book and oppressive as hell"
THe Sharia law was founded 1400 years ago before guns and lethal injections existed, so the stoning and lashes are modern day death sentences for going against the major sins within the religion. |
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:50 PM |
| STICKING TO THE ORIGINAL ROOTS OF A RELIGION ISN'T BAD AT ALL, IN FACT IT SHOWS THE PURITY OF A HUMAN AND HOW PIOUS ONE CAN BE ESPECIALLY IN THESE DARK TIMES. |
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:50 PM |
| LOL! SHUTUP! *Hits the good and does a little jig* |
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WannaBet
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| 25 Oct 2015 11:51 PM |
Okay, I don't mind giving you a formal debate, False.
I'm not a fan of religion in general, but I specifically dislike Islam because unlike the other Abrahamic religions, Islam has stuck by its teachings from early centuries.
Conservatism can be bad or good depending on the subject at matter. When it comes to most popular religions, including Islam, conservatism is regressive.
Discrimination is bad.
Killing apostate is bad.
Theocracy is ineffective and has plenty of flaws which other political systems accommodate to a much better degree.
Some degree of skepticism is necessary when selecting ideas, attitudes or beliefs.
Some people aren't convinced by any argument at all. This is a starting point for those that are open minded and reasonable. |
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| 26 Oct 2015 12:00 AM |
Can a debate be had when the participants don't even agree on a premise to work from?
Take mathematics and the Euclidean axioms, for example. These premises are accepted as true and all mathematical reasoning derives from them. However, not everyone accepts a newer axiom, the "axiom of choice" that states you can take an element from all non-empty sets.
If you accept the "axiom of choice", you are forced to accept (compelled by mathematical logic) the idea that you can take one ball, cut it into multiple pieces, and make two balls the same size and weight as the original. If you do not accept the "axiom of choice", you cannot reach that conclusion.
Back to the issue of Islam, you might not be able to debate with someone who doesn't even accept the same premises you do. In fact, doing so may be an exercise in futility more than anything else. |
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