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my reasons for quitting prime legion

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fletchered is not online. fletchered
Joined: 22 Sep 2009
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23 Oct 2015 10:00 PM
hi. before we start this is just all my opinion on what i've seen for the past months of being in prime legion lets begin

I used to be a HR in prime legion, a well-known sword fighting clan. i had decided for about 3 weeks if i wanted to leave or not. now, if you think that i quit because i didn't like anything, that's definitely false. i loved the people that i worked with. everyone was fun, cool, it was just really fun to spend time with everyone and get to know the individuals.

tl;dr: dont give up. prime legion needs high ranks and you all are able to impact prime legion's development. <3

the reason i did leave was because i cannot keep up with their current schedule and a lot of things are really hard to understand. what i mean by that is when lordlancer had a hr meeting one day, we spent about 2 hours maybe longer just chatting about "how to increase hype in PL" i should've said we need to be in a war (ALSO PLEASE LORD ADD THE NATIONAL ANTHEM i talked to u about). lordlancer is also very very hard to contact like on skype i have to spam him just for him to respond please why lance. it was about a week and a half ago now since the hr meeting we had, talking about new schedules, but he just kinda left us with that and nobody really did anything. finally, lordlancer please help the tacticians right now.. i've said this before, but i think the main reason people don't host is because they're afraid and freeze up. to stop this, help them. if they don't ask for help and you know they need help then help them. you need to have meetups with hr's i think more then just weekly, but like 3 times a week. i know some people might be busy, but PL will be even more inactive if new HR's dont learn respect, happiness, and leadership. also be honest to hr's. if someone is doing poorly, let them know. they will change the way of how they do on their own.

also, i think you guys need to do more practice raids, raids, practice defense, defense, then war. i don't like the training everyday schedule. that brings me again to why i quit. the schedule is very hard. at 4 i still have school, at 5 i relax, at 9 i go to bed. i don't like training everyday. that's probably a reason people don't show up everyday is because they get tired of the same thing over. and. over. people get bored. i do love you all, but i need to catch up irl. i've been spending a lot of my time for PL, and i have other interests besides hosting training everyday. lord please let any HR be able to have raids and defenses. TEACH WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. i would've liked to have a raid/defense, but nobody at all taught me what to do. goodnight everyone, i'll see you all soon.

with lots of love, fletchered.
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Hyakinthos is not online. Hyakinthos
Joined: 05 Jun 2010
Total Posts: 2694
23 Oct 2015 10:02 PM
You'll be missed.

p.s. if you want to be taught something, ask.



Have fun; don't die.
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Vaqxination is not online. Vaqxination
Joined: 05 Jul 2014
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23 Oct 2015 10:03 PM
didnt read

im here for +1 post
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TheOriginalElmerz is not online. TheOriginalElmerz
Joined: 29 Jun 2011
Total Posts: 1725
23 Oct 2015 11:09 PM
bye fletch


another one bites the dust
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Valkrav is not online. Valkrav
Joined: 30 Sep 2011
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24 Oct 2015 01:04 AM
bye m8
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Hort0 is not online. Hort0
Joined: 03 Apr 2009
Total Posts: 318
24 Oct 2015 04:55 AM
Going to write this one first.

Fletch, it's been a pleasure when I've worked with you.

And you have manged to show that if you want it, you can do just fine as a HR.

Goodluck.
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Hort0 is not online. Hort0
Joined: 03 Apr 2009
Total Posts: 318
24 Oct 2015 05:53 AM
Now, ready for the longest, message in the world?

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First off, this slight rage of mine, is due to the fact that apparently... we had these complaints, and NOBODY MESSAGED ME! I even asked you, Fletchered, when I noticed that something was eating at you, and got no response... SECONDS after you would post on skype. I'll grant I never went and hunted you down for the answer... which I probably should have done.

THE ONLY THING I have been trying to do with Prime Legion lately, is work with our tacticians, and set up stuff to try and aid for the group's future.
If our Tacticians which do stuff thought they where doing poorly, then I have no idea why. We had plenty of people who where doing JUST FINE. Last I checked, you where doing fine.
And 'perfection' never comes... and it definitely never comes over night.

And of anyone, I am the ONLY person (of my knowledge) that worked to try and get you what you might need. But, I HAVE NO GUIDE EITHER. I make it up as I go, and CLEARLY I have failed. Last I checked, I was the ONLY person that recommended you to the spot, despite others telling me that they did not share the same faith in you.

Am I guilt tripping you? Yeah probably. I'm a bit annoyed. And chances are my annoyance here will only transfer to more rage from others.
Maybe I'm wrong though.... and if so, PLEASE mark me. I very much do want to know.
If I've failed the tacticians, which apparently I have... please let me know.
I'll more then own up to it.



***"because they're afraid and freeze up. To stop this, help them. "

^ THEN WHAT DO YOU NEED ME TO DO?
Because I can only say: 'Please message me if you need help' THOUSANDS OF TIMES.
Not to mention, this tells me that you... as a HR, LEFT. When you say we need to help our tacticians... YOU LEFT and did not work to help them.
You had the position, to potentially 'help' them just as much as ANYONE... and you left?

"if someone is doing poorly, let them know. they will change the way of how they do on their own. " <--- is pretty much the only thing that has... REMOTELY an answer as to how to do that. And, then... through my experience. I have REPEATEDLY found, that telling people how to 'do better' is a very slippery slope. ESPECIALLY for new high ranks.




***"lordlancer is also very very hard to contact like on skype i have to spam him just for him..."

^ yeah that's why I've said that this is the people's group. If they choose to grasp it.
Most of the time, I don't talk to LordLancer. Thus, when I do things, it's simply because I felt they where right. Or... shocker, I asked other high ranks for advice. And, that's it.

Normally, if you follow the rules put in place, you can do whatever you want.
If you're not perfect, which nobody is.. YES people are going to complain about you.
I have no doubt that people complain about me on a weekly basis, since the first day I joined.





We are at a point, where there is no 'ideal' High Rank.
You make the ideal. You SET the bar.
You look at what you've done yourself, and either work at it, or accept your spot and go on with your life.

The inner demon you feed is the inner demon that grows.
It's very hard to say... "this is how you do it."
Because there isn't a right/wrong way to be a leader.

When people do ask me to help them learn how to 'lead': all I can do is go over the rules, and whatever tips I have. HOW THEY BEHAVE AND WORK, is up to them. Now, if you know what type of leader you want to be... you work at it. You can be rough and tough or soft and squishy, super caring, heartless or somewhere in the middle ground.



*** "also, i think you guys need to do more practice raids, raids, practice defense, defense, then war. i don't like the training everyday schedule. that brings me again to why i quit. the schedule is very hard. at 4 i still have school, at 5 i relax, at 9 i go to bed." - Noted.

^And yes, I understand the schedule.
Here's the hard truth. Lancer isn't around 100% of the time.
That 'schedule' is crud unless you want to follow it.
If you want to change it, WHY DON'T WE? (I MEAN HELL, last I checked, there was a meeting, in which Lancer talked about this schedule. And he asks if people have comments after about anything.) And my gosh WHY did HORT NOT GET NOTIFIED IF YOU HAD A PROBLEM!?!
Why do I go out of my way to work with other people, and NOBODY bothers to tell me!?!


I have school.
I go to work.
I am regularly called away to drive errands, or to look after relatives. (wonder why Hort's never home?)
I deal with a 40 year old woman who's husband is in prison and tried to kill herself.
Somehow I'm still meant to be a 'god' to half the people I DO get to work with online, and when I do something wrong... WHO TELLS ME? NOBODY. They complain about me, but they definitely don't bother to make it easy. Most of the time, the only reason I know I mess up real bad, is when everyone becomes too impatient and decides the leave... other then the hand full of people who are always around anyway, and they don't understand why the ones who left did. (Which, I love you guys... who stick around and rough it out with me.)

I didn't have some huge mentor.
Nobody taught me how to train.
I watched other people, and I figured it out.

You won't make it over night.
We're in a world of INSTANT satisfaction, and 'instant' WILL NOT find you.


*** "because they get tired of the same thing over. and. over. people get bored. "

^This is a good note.


*** "let any HR be able to have raids and defenses. TEACH WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. i would've liked to have a raid/defense, but nobody at all taught me what to do."


^ Now... if this is true then I did actually fail you on that.
Since I've gone over it with DESTROYER, aqua, Kasy, TheOriginalElmerz, Hyakinthos, Z0MBIE (over a year ago though),... and I think some with Crystaliti.
And... I've looked through my messages, and it's possible I managed to not get to you on that. But my god, WHY!?! was I never messaged if it was that big of a problem? I have been in this group, for HOW LONG... and nobody figured... if 'I don't know how to defend, maybe I should ask Hort.'???

If I haven't said it already in this post, the annoying sad truth, is that as long as you don't do something SUPER crazy, chances are LordLancer won't even be around to enforce it.

And if you did message me... then I'm at fault... because then I have failed my job.

But my gosh... most of this sounds like a big excuse. If you want it, you will find a way. Excuses are for cowards who are trying to run away. And WE DO NOT HAVE COWARDS.
I fail DAILY. For very real reasons in Prime Legion. It's inevitable... but to say "that brings me again to why i quit. the schedule is very hard." Are you not ASKING for someone to fight back at you and tell you that your statement is ENTIRELY full of boot sludge.

What do you need to know when you're raiding?
You message someone, say 'hey we're coming'.
You show up with people.
Bam. You fight.

And if you don't know who we are and aren't allowed to raid... I wonder where you can find people who have been in the group for over a year and a half... that might have that information?

Even if you didn't ask, and you just jumped right into a place... and you come clean with it, and tell me. I'm likely to back you up.


https://gyazo.com/da871ff6a81edb82cab9231c16186cdf
^ LOOK AT THAT LINK.
You know where those words can be found?
In our group description.
Under "High Rank Update/Rank Roles/Individual Roles:"
You know how long that's been in our forum?
Since 9/12/2015. Over a month ago...
and before that, we STILL had a forum saying you could ask us whatever was needed.
AND I FULLY REALIZE, that the first person on that list, is LordLancer.
And that it says... you can ask LordLancer.
But my word, if you keep barking at that tree and getting no response... GO TO A DIFFERENT TREE.

For the most part, I very much enjoy my 'job' in Prime Legion.
I enjoy hosting.
I enjoy working with Prime Legion members.
I enjoy helping my members when they ask... if I am able.
I know I'm never home, and although I feel rather guilty for it many times, I try not to make constant excuses about it.
But even though I'm hardly ever home, I check my messages almost daily.
The worst it's ever gotten, was that I was away on a week long trip, and people had to wait a week. But most of the time, it's within that day.

So...
I have failed, as a Royal.
I have NOT found someone to help keep Prime Legion running when I leave.
I have NOT helped to greatly improve the activity of our events.
I have proven to be entirely ignorant into how to solve any problems we've had.
I have failed so miserably that my members don't know how to defend their own fort without me watching over them.

My word I must be the worst 'High Rank' of any group... ever.

And I knowingly write all this, with the realization that it helps NONE whatsoever, and in turn just spreads more sad and hurt feelings.

So... to end this.
It is up to you what you want to do in life.
And if you leave Prime Legion due to simply not having the heart for it... nobody can blame you.
We all get bored sometimes, and we all get responsibilities we'll need to look after.
Just... figure, it, out, people.
The only thing to stop you from your goals is you.

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Trollstereus is not online. Trollstereus
Joined: 04 Apr 2012
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24 Oct 2015 07:31 AM
idk whu u b, but u forgotz tldrz sirz
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juego13 is not online. juego13
Joined: 12 Nov 2012
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24 Oct 2015 08:08 AM
Fletch :(
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icrazyy is not online. icrazyy
Joined: 30 May 2011
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24 Oct 2015 08:37 AM
the chicken will miss u :(


-the chicken
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tosimaru is not online. tosimaru
Joined: 13 Aug 2010
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24 Oct 2015 12:49 PM
i love you fletch <3
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aqua1212121 is not online. aqua1212121
Joined: 07 Feb 2014
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24 Oct 2015 12:51 PM
Well Fletch, peace out and have a good life. You're a good kid. Don't lose that characteristic.

As Hort said in his million word comment
Our tacts do need help, but a person can only do so much, I even wrote a 10000 word book for tacts. I tell almost every tactition i can that i will help them ANYTIME of the day, because what most people don't realize, High Rank is a difficult rank to maintain, I'm a mere Centurian and it's a pain in the butt for me.
If you ever decide to join up again, we will welcome you with open arms.
:D

Also, i'm sure all the advice you posted up there will definately be thought about, and if not I will definately make it that way.
Peace
Aqua1212121
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louislin is not online. louislin
Joined: 10 Jan 2013
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24 Oct 2015 12:51 PM
@Hort DAYUM LOL
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LordLancer is online. LordLancer
Joined: 24 Jul 2011
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24 Oct 2015 01:28 PM
out meeting was 28 minutes

but yes, of course we're still pals, fam <3

you're welcome back anytime
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Occulto is not online. Occulto
Joined: 21 May 2007
Total Posts: 21387
24 Oct 2015 01:29 PM
its also a joke of a clan but connorking88 was in it so its alright

peace dude
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LordLancer is online. LordLancer
Joined: 24 Jul 2011
Total Posts: 12009
24 Oct 2015 01:30 PM
@occulto
not sure what your problem is, frized fan boy
but you can get the hell out

here's the door --> [ ]
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Occulto is not online. Occulto
Joined: 21 May 2007
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24 Oct 2015 01:31 PM
"@occulto
not sure what your problem is, frized fan boy
but you can get the hell out

here's the door --> [ ]"

pretty sure i was here first XD!

so me being in kenny's clans make me a fanboy lol okay dude that's rich :D!

peace dude
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Occulto is not online. Occulto
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24 Oct 2015 01:32 PM
when raginglancer takes the bait lmao

peace dude
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LordLancer is online. LordLancer
Joined: 24 Jul 2011
Total Posts: 12009
24 Oct 2015 01:33 PM
kenny and i are good friends
but you're a total fan boy
and that's adorable

meanwhile you have the nerve to come on here and insult me and my clan :^)
And I'm certain I was here first. (:

so
peace, dude.
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Occulto is not online. Occulto
Joined: 21 May 2007
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24 Oct 2015 01:34 PM
"kenny and i are good friends
but you're a total fan boy
and that's adorable

meanwhile you have the nerve to come on here and insult me and my clan :^)
And I'm certain I was here first. (:

so
peace, dude."

okay cool kenny's your friend man
that's so cool dude im his friend too

explain how im a total fanboy lol
i know im adorable thanks man!

i do have the nerve because it's funny

i'm certain you haven't been foruming before me lol

peace dude
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jacky051 is not online. jacky051
Joined: 23 Feb 2012
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24 Oct 2015 01:58 PM
where's my shout out
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Thatguy201 is not online. Thatguy201
Joined: 11 Mar 2012
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24 Oct 2015 02:02 PM
Lancer quit picking fights m'boy. Just don't feed the trolls. If they get hungry enough, they might decide to actually do something productive.
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LordLancer is online. LordLancer
Joined: 24 Jul 2011
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24 Oct 2015 02:08 PM
wouldn't want the to fight
of course, none of them can win against me
:^)
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Occulto is not online. Occulto
Joined: 21 May 2007
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24 Oct 2015 02:22 PM
"wouldn't want the to fight
of course, none of them can win against me
:^)"

wanna scrim epmc

peace dude
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OldManOzymandias is not online. OldManOzymandias
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24 Oct 2015 02:24 PM
hi
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