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Re: Why is the Midwest Brotherhood of Steel in Boston for Fo4?

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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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19 Oct 2015 01:04 AM
I understand why Lyon's Pride would be there, considering they have some presence in D.C. at the time, but it seems wasteful to send a whole group of people from the Midwest all the way to Boston. They even sent their huge airship, which doesn't make much sense.

The only thing I can think of that would be of such interest to the Brotherhood of Steel is the Institute. The Brotherhood's main concern is the acquisition of new technology in old-world information, so a place like MIT would likely be a prime target for them. I can just imagine the Brotherhood having androids.

Of course there's also the prototype of the T-60 power armor. It'd make sense that the Brotherhood would want it to study, but it doesn't seem justifiable to send almost a whole chapter and an expensive airship just for that.

Bethesda's known for mangling Fallout's lore, so I won't be surprised if there's no explanation for the Midwest Brotherhood chapter's presence that far East.
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EXcellent is not online. EXcellent
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19 Oct 2015 01:05 AM
I dunno. As long as I can still kill people good.
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ErronBIack is not online. ErronBIack
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19 Oct 2015 01:07 AM
well fallout does kinda suck lol
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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19 Oct 2015 01:10 AM
"I dunno. As long as I can still kill people good."

I guess. I'm just trying to think why sending so many BoS troops that far East is justifiable. The Midwest BoS has enough problems of their own. They should just let Lyon's Pride deal with it, and send them their research on the T-60 and Institute technology later.

Now that I think about it, the MWBoS's presence in Boston could mean one of two things (or possibly both things). Either the Institute is absolutely destroying Lyon's Pride, or the Enclave has a heavy presence in Boston. After all, you can see Black Devil power armor in the power armor customization demo.
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EXcellent is not online. EXcellent
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19 Oct 2015 01:10 AM
"well fallout does kinda suck lol"
Regardless of what I reply, you're just going to claim it's your opinion because strawman fallacy.
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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19 Oct 2015 01:10 AM
"well fallout does kinda suck lol"

Your opinion.
Fallout 1 was the first game I've played, so Fallout's a childhood game of mine.
So I respectfully disagree. :^)
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ErronBIack is not online. ErronBIack
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19 Oct 2015 01:12 AM
dont forget the fact bethesda will be rehashing the game on the crapass engine
you know, the one all bugthesdas games are used on?
and fallout 3 and nv are disgusting, play tactics, and 2.
since you said you've played one already
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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19 Oct 2015 01:13 AM
"dont forget the fact bethesda will be rehashing the game on the crapass engine
you know, the one all bugthesdas games are used on?
and fallout 3 and nv are disgusting, play tactics, and 2.
since you said you've played one already"

I've already played 2 and Tactics extensively as a kid.
I said Fallout 1 was the first game I played, not the only Fallout game I played.
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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19 Oct 2015 01:14 AM
only original Fallout game I played*
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ErronBIack is not online. ErronBIack
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19 Oct 2015 01:14 AM
also, i said "kinda sucks"
i never said i hate them
ive played all, own all.
but no way in hell im getting 4 on release date
it'll be buggy trash
ill wait a few months
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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19 Oct 2015 04:19 AM
No one has posted a reply about the lore discussion itself yet, tho :^(
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dinokiddo123 is not online. dinokiddo123
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19 Oct 2015 04:21 AM
Because video game logic
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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19 Oct 2015 04:24 AM
"Because video game logic"

It's not so much the logic of it, it's more about the lore. Bethesda Game Studios mangled the lore InterPlay established in the original games, so Obsidian (along with some people from InterPlay) had to clean up after Bethesda's lore mess in Fallout 3. They had to justify all the mistakes Bethesda made.
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StraitOuttaBoston is not online. StraitOuttaBoston
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19 Oct 2015 04:24 AM
Well from what I know of the androids they seem pretty tough and we don't know how many there are.

I also highly doubt the institute would give up control willingly, perhaps the BoS needs more soldiers to get it done.
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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19 Oct 2015 04:27 AM
"Well from what I know of the androids they seem pretty tough and we don't know how many there are.

I also highly doubt the institute would give up control willingly, perhaps the BoS needs more soldiers to get it done."

There's no question that the Synths are highly dangerous. We've seen them in Fallout 3, and they were highly intelligent.
However, there are PLENTY of BoS chapters in the East. The Midwest Brotherhood is already dealing with problems of their own, it just doesn't seem right that they'd send a whole airship halfway across the country, along with a bunch of their soldiers. The Brotherhood is already spread thin.
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StraitOuttaBoston is not online. StraitOuttaBoston
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19 Oct 2015 04:28 AM
I can sacrifice lore for a fun game, when you stick to the lore you are putting a limit to your imagination.

Bethesda may not always stick to the originals but they do create some interesting lore in the games still.
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19 Oct 2015 04:29 AM
swweeeee
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StraitOuttaBoston is not online. StraitOuttaBoston
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19 Oct 2015 04:31 AM
"There's no question that the Synths are highly dangerous. We've seen them in Fallout 3, and they were highly intelligent.
However, there are PLENTY of BoS chapters in the East. The Midwest Brotherhood is already dealing with problems of their own, it just doesn't seem right that they'd send a whole airship halfway across the country, along with a bunch of their soldiers. The Brotherhood is already spread thin."

From what I've seen of the BoS (Fallout 3 and NV), they don't strike me as the kind of guys who'd want androids alive.

I know they use robots but you can control robots you can set limitations, but the synths seem to have their own goals and Harkness for example didn't particularly like the idea of being controlled.
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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19 Oct 2015 04:32 AM
"I can sacrifice lore for a fun game, when you stick to the lore you are putting a limit to your imagination.

Bethesda may not always stick to the originals but they do create some interesting lore in the games still."

As a loooooong time childhood Fallout fan, the lore is one of the most important parts to me, especially staying true to it. Obsidian made the better Fallout game between FO3 and FONV, there's no question about it. It had more connection to 1, 2, and Tactics, and actually stuck to the lore.

And also, there's a pre-war vertibird in the reveal trailer in Fallout 4. The vertibird wasn't finished until AFTER the Great War. There were only prototypes before the war, and there are noticeable differences between the two.
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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19 Oct 2015 04:35 AM
"From what I've seen of the BoS (Fallout 3 and NV), they don't strike me as the kind of guys who'd want androids alive."

The Brotherhood doesn't actually care about anything unless it affects them. They only want tech and old-world information. Fallout 3 did a TERRIBLE job at presenting the Brotherhood of Steel with Lyon's Pride. The Outcasts in Fallout 3, and the Brotherhood in Fallout New Vegas are better representative of the Brotherhood in the originals.

If the Androids aren't affecting them, it's not something they'd be too concerned with. They're not the whiteknights of the wasteland like Bethesda made them look like in FO3. If they're in Boston, they're most likely there for Institute tech, as well as the extremely rare T-60 power armor.

It still doesn't seem justifiable to have such a large amount of Midwest Brotherhood soldiers, as well as their prized airships to go so far East.
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StraitOuttaBoston is not online. StraitOuttaBoston
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19 Oct 2015 04:36 AM
As for the airship I think Bethesda just wanted an airship, it may not make sense but I want an airship to.
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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19 Oct 2015 04:37 AM
"As for the airship I think Bethesda just wanted an airship, it may not make sense but I want an airship to."

It's not the airship itself I'm concerned with. There was an airship in Fallout: BoS, and it's a Midwest Brotherhood airship. You can even see the Midwest BoS insignia in one of the shots.
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StraitOuttaBoston is not online. StraitOuttaBoston
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19 Oct 2015 04:39 AM
"The Brotherhood doesn't actually care about anything unless it affects them. They only want tech and old-world information. Fallout 3 did a TERRIBLE job at presenting the Brotherhood of Steel with Lyon's Pride. The Outcasts in Fallout 3, and the Brotherhood in Fallout New Vegas are better representative of the Brotherhood in the originals.

If the Androids aren't affecting them, it's not something they'd be too concerned with. They're not the whiteknights of the wasteland like Bethesda made them look like in FO3. If they're in Boston, they're most likely there for Institute tech, as well as the extremely rare T-60 power armor.

It still doesn't seem justifiable to have such a large amount of Midwest Brotherhood soldiers, as well as their prized airships to go so"

In my opinion The Outcasts and Lyons Pride should of been switched around, BoS will help people but only if it helps the BoS more.

Lyons Pride should of been outcasts for not acting in the interests of the Brotherhood, they were far too trusting for an isolationist group.
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DapperNarwhal is not online. DapperNarwhal
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19 Oct 2015 04:41 AM
"In my opinion The Outcasts and Lyons Pride should of been switched around, BoS will help people but only if it helps the BoS more.

Lyons Pride should of been outcasts for not acting in the interests of the Brotherhood, they were far too trusting for an isolationist group."

My point exactly.
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StraitOuttaBoston is not online. StraitOuttaBoston
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19 Oct 2015 05:01 AM
An example would be Operation Anchorage, sure they'll give you nice gear but only if you go through a one man survival mission against the Chinese army.

Then when they find out the guy is trying to give away the gear they just shoot him, that is what the Brotherhood should be like people you don't want to piss off.
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