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Re: Problems in Vortex Security

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HarrySG is not online. HarrySG
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17 Oct 2015 03:23 AM
These are problems that have been noticed by myself and others, and none of this is meant to spite anyone in particular, I am merely expressing views.

None of these issues will be talking about Lilly (the current leader) I don't have anything against her and if you do that's something else, but these are about VS as a whole.

1) The Lt. General rank

The Lieutenant General rank was brought back into VS as a rank for Colonels to progress unto as it was deemed that the then Advisor rank (now General) was extremely hard to achieve. This was a good move, Colonels needed an opportunity to be rewarded via promotion, however this didn't happen. The first Lt. Generals were chosen by the Generals to be their successors as heads of their departments, however when they were chosen, surprisingly they didn't need to and were not just chosen from the Colonel rank.

Only 3 Colonels were promoted to Lt. General at the beginning. Currently we have 8 Lieutenant Generals, only 4 of which were at the Colonel rank before being promoted.

2) Rank skipping ex-HRs

In the previous point, it was said that not all current Lt. Generals were promoted from Colonel, so where were they promoted from?

The 4 Lt. Generals that were insta promoted were promoted from low rank positions, some being as low as PFC.

You might be asking why this is such a bad thing, and these are the reasons I have compiled:
- Rank skipping in itself is telling other members of VS that ex-HRs are more privileged and can come back whenever they want and get a high ranking position.

- The ex-HRs are EX-HRS for a reason, that could mean anything from being exiled to going inactive. A point I believe is that if someone has gone inactive from VS before, what's to stop them now?

- Insta promoting ex-HRs gives them no chance to prove their loyalty and activity. We can't judge someone's activity by "what they used to be." Many things could have changed for them since, they should at least prove their worth.

3) The General rank

The official purpose of this rank is to "oversee VS as a whole." This whole part of the forum could well be wrong, as I'm not informed what goes on INSIDE the HICOM but from what I've seen, the only changes in VS that I've seen have been done by the heads of departments.

When it comes to "overseeing VS as a whole" I can't imagine it to be very time consuming. I don't see many Generals coming to training/raids/defenses and when they do, they normally don't stay the full time.

This whole rank is basically a free pass to be inactive and not be punished. Perhaps if the rank Commandant was not in use the General rank could be a more proper "council" type of structure where they voted on things like reforms and new rules HOWEVER even then, it's not hard to log on once a day and say yes or no.

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These problems can't just be ignored, and pushed away, into the "I'll do it later" box, it doesn't help VS by ignoring issues, it just makes VS look worse.

I'm aware there might be some VS members trying to defend VS after the points I have mentioned, but I'd like to say I meant no spite in my comments and only wish the best for VS, as you should too.
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coIorz is not online. coIorz
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17 Oct 2015 03:25 AM
Instead of complaining on this long-ass thread to C&G, just suck it in like a man and wait until Lily's era is over, (which could be never.)

C&G is my canvas
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Laedere is not online. Laedere
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17 Oct 2015 03:25 AM
Why isn't the leader listed as a problem
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Enthymema is not online. Enthymema
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17 Oct 2015 03:26 AM
Approved.
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HarrySG is not online. HarrySG
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17 Oct 2015 03:27 AM
@colorz no one knows when Lilly's era will be over
@laed I'm referencing VS problems as a whole, what's the point of even ranting about Lilly, as if she's going to give in because people tell her to
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Radooc is not online. Radooc
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17 Oct 2015 03:27 AM
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A-A-A-A-A-ABS
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HarrySG is not online. HarrySG
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17 Oct 2015 03:50 AM
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Bog is not online. Bog
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17 Oct 2015 04:15 AM
got em


lordintense's alt NOT AIMLIE
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bluecheetah14 is not online. bluecheetah14
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17 Oct 2015 04:19 AM
eh
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17 Oct 2015 04:23 AM
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teslobo is not online. teslobo
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17 Oct 2015 04:31 AM
Don't forget the fort, the inactivity, the divisions, most ranks and more things I can't think of off the top of my head.
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HarrySG is not online. HarrySG
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17 Oct 2015 04:36 AM
@tes yes, there are much more things but i thought i'd mention things that are possibly easier to be dealt with and require less effort to see through

and yes those are serious issues which also need to be resolved
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ElevenSensitivity is not online. ElevenSensitivity
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17 Oct 2015 04:40 AM
in my eyes most of this is true.

but there are some things that the generals and commandant have done right

such as Madigan's rule for no rank skipping, if someone leaves the group with IP/CP. it's gonna be erased.

but still, there's too many inactive captains, and not enough active colonels.

if you want things to change in VS, PM opper. he's dealing with the activity and HRs.


"evolution is a lie" - ElevenSensitivity
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HarrySG is not online. HarrySG
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17 Oct 2015 05:10 AM
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HarrySG is not online. HarrySG
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17 Oct 2015 04:10 PM
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Liam16C is not online. Liam16C
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17 Oct 2015 04:11 PM
one thing to say in this

RAA OR DIE
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Foxescent is not online. Foxescent
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17 Oct 2015 04:16 PM
approved
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gamehack26 is not online. gamehack26
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17 Oct 2015 04:29 PM
This is true for the most part, I would probably add the ranking system though.

hi im gamehack26 and im a noob
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HarrySG is not online. HarrySG
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17 Oct 2015 05:15 PM
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Garzen is not online. Garzen
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17 Oct 2015 05:16 PM
funny thing is i already provided a new rank structure that would work and it was ignored by the leader and the hicom (with the exception of a few)
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HarrySG is not online. HarrySG
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17 Oct 2015 05:18 PM
that tends to be the case in VS, many HRs are either against change or aren't helping VS
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MarshalSZK4 is online. MarshalSZK4
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17 Oct 2015 05:27 PM
maybe PM someone about it?
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HarrySG is not online. HarrySG
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17 Oct 2015 05:39 PM
marshal, only lilly can change these things and she won't be convinced by just one person complaining about something
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purplecheetah14 is not online. purplecheetah14
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17 Oct 2015 06:40 PM
Garzen, didn't help when you just left because you got kicked out of ST, and you didn't even inform me despite being co-director of DR.
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Garzen is not online. Garzen
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17 Oct 2015 06:42 PM
soz vic forgot about that.

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