generic image
Processing...
  • Games
  • Catalog
  • Develop
  • Robux
  • Search in Players
  • Search in Games
  • Search in Catalog
  • Search in Groups
  • Search in Library
  • Log In
  • Sign Up
  • Games
  • Catalog
  • Develop
  • Robux
   
ROBLOX Forum » Video Game Central
Home Search
 

Re: Super Smash Bros. (fourth installment) is disappointing

Previous Thread :: Next Thread 
MythicalMagician is not online. MythicalMagician
Joined: 16 Feb 2014
Total Posts: 2869
11 Oct 2015 12:15 AM
Reasons:
-Less content (still some new content, but still less content)
-No story-mode
-Somehow, Online matches trigger your hands to sweat more
-Falco and Mario need to be changed. A new update should tweak their moves, as the moves are the worst and they're the root of all evil and spamming
-Grabbing (The root of all spamming)
Report Abuse
MythicalMagician is not online. MythicalMagician
Joined: 16 Feb 2014
Total Posts: 2869
11 Oct 2015 12:16 AM
they're the roots* Sorry, typo.
Report Abuse
WikiThis is not online. WikiThis
Joined: 01 Aug 2013
Total Posts: 20357
11 Oct 2015 06:23 AM
"as the moves are the worst and they're the root of all evil and spamming"


I thought that was Sonic. From what people always tell me.
Report Abuse
StealthFreddy is not online. StealthFreddy
Joined: 07 Sep 2011
Total Posts: 7011
11 Oct 2015 09:03 AM
"-Less content (still some new content, but still less content)"
Fair enough, but I still like this content a lot more than Brawl or even Melee.
It just feels better balanced.

"-No story-mode"
Story Mode was insanely expensive and time consuming, the game was already delayed once, delaying it again for Story Mode would make people more mad than happy.

"-Somehow, Online matches trigger your hands to sweat more"
Then stop getting tense from Online Matches.
Unlike Brawl this one actually feels more competitive.
Melee also has this effect.

"-Falco and Mario need to be changed. A new update should tweak their moves, as the moves are the worst and they're the root of all evil and spamming"
You can spam with any character.

"-Grabbing (The root of all spamming)"
Sure, let's remove grabbing and now have you complain that Bowser is OP because he blocks well.
Report Abuse
Qliphoth is not online. Qliphoth
Joined: 26 Nov 2008
Total Posts: 5637
11 Oct 2015 09:45 AM
"Fair enough, but I still like this content a lot more than Brawl or even Melee.
It just feels better balanced."

minus the grammatical error, sm4sh has less content singleplayer-wise

"You can spam with any character."

that's the problem with the game

"Sure, let's remove grabbing and now have you complain that Bowser is OP because he blocks well."

bowser isn't OP, his grab special can be teched at the blastline, and his shield is the same as every other character



so yes, OP is right
Report Abuse
StealthFreddy is not online. StealthFreddy
Joined: 07 Sep 2011
Total Posts: 7011
11 Oct 2015 09:57 AM
@Qliphoth,
"minus the grammatical error, sm4sh has less content singleplayer-wise"
True, but I still like it being better balanced in multiplayer, which was the main thing people played anyway.

"that's the problem with the game"
It is, but spamming is really predictable and easy to counter.

"bowser isn't OP, his grab special can be teched at the blastline, and his shield is the same as every other character"
Okay...The scratch that: Sure, let's remove grabbing and now have you complain that Defense is OP because blocking is now practically un-counterable.

His facts are right, but removing grabbing isn't a good decision.
Sm4sh is honestly meant as a casual game, if you want hardcore you go to other ones like Mortal Combat, Street Fighter etc.
Report Abuse
muItiyoshiman is online. muItiyoshiman
Joined: 17 Jul 2011
Total Posts: 7934
11 Oct 2015 09:59 AM
>mario and falco
>spam


LMAOO
Report Abuse
Qliphoth is not online. Qliphoth
Joined: 26 Nov 2008
Total Posts: 5637
11 Oct 2015 11:03 AM
"True, but I still like it being better balanced in multiplayer, which was the main thing people played anyway."

melee's multiplayer is objectively the best

"It is, but spamming is really predictable and easy to counter."

the fact that rolls can be spammed and are frequently unpunishable is lame. speaking of counters, too many characters have counters

"Okay...The scratch that: Sure, let's remove grabbing and now have you complain that Defense is OP because blocking is now practically un-counterable."

i never said removing command grabs is a good idea. saying that bowser is OP due to his grab special is incorrect.

"His facts are right, but removing grabbing isn't a good decision.
Sm4sh is honestly meant as a casual game, if you want hardcore you go to other ones like Mortal Combat, Street Fighter etc."

if you want a hardcore game, play melee

that game is actually difficult.
Report Abuse
StealthFreddy is not online. StealthFreddy
Joined: 07 Sep 2011
Total Posts: 7011
11 Oct 2015 11:16 AM
"melee's multiplayer is objectively the best"
Maybe, but in my opinion melee was too stiff, movement in 4 just feels smoother.

"the fact that rolls can be spammed and are frequently unpunishable is lame. speaking of counters, too many characters have counters "
I don't think people should be punished for avoiding attacks.
I do agree about the counter bit though.

"i never said removing command grabs is a good idea. saying that bowser is OP due to his grab special is incorrect."
Well...Okay then.

"if you want a hardcore game, play melee

that game is actually difficult."
I kinda was a bit disappointed at 9.0 to be honest, I expected something like the "Final Showdown" like difficulty from melee to unlock afterwards. (Giga Bowser + Gannon + Mewtwo I think?)
Report Abuse
Qliphoth is not online. Qliphoth
Joined: 26 Nov 2008
Total Posts: 5637
11 Oct 2015 11:29 AM
"Maybe, but in my opinion melee was too stiff, movement in 4 just feels smoother."

yeah, because sliding around on the ground and platforms isn't fluid whatsoever.

"I don't think people should be punished for avoiding attacks. I do agree about the counter bit though."

yeah just spam dodges left and right until the round times out. that's always fun

"if you want a hardcore game, play melee

"I kinda was a bit disappointed at 9.0 to be honest, I expected something like the "Final Showdown" like difficulty from melee to unlock afterwards. (Giga Bowser + Gannon + Mewtwo I think?)"

i wasn't referring to the singleplayer modes. i'm talking about multiplayer in tournaments.

if you don't know any kinda of advanced techniques, you'll get bodied.
Report Abuse
StealthFreddy is not online. StealthFreddy
Joined: 07 Sep 2011
Total Posts: 7011
11 Oct 2015 12:11 PM
"yeah, because sliding around on the ground and platforms isn't fluid whatsoever."
I didn't say Melee wasn't smooth.

"yeah just spam dodges left and right until the round times out. that's always fun"
You even down-smash bro?

"i wasn't referring to the singleplayer modes. i'm talking about multiplayer in tournaments.

if you don't know any kinda of advanced techniques, you'll get bodied."
Because making use of glitches is techniques.
There is still a lot of skill in 4, at least it's not Brawl which nobody really did tournaments with.
If you like Melee better, go play Melee.

If they made it exactly like Melee people would complain that it was the same, there is just no way to make Smash fans happy at this point.
"I liked brawl better." "Melee was better." etc. etc.
They get both of these no matter what they do.
Report Abuse
Qliphoth is not online. Qliphoth
Joined: 26 Nov 2008
Total Posts: 5637
11 Oct 2015 12:30 PM
"I didn't say Melee wasn't smooth."


"You even down-smash bro?"

there are 2 downsmashes that can remotely cover the distance for rolls

"if you don't know any kinda of advanced techniques, you'll get bodied."
Because making use of glitches is techniques."

literally none of the techniques in melee are glitches. every single one was programmed into the game.

"There is still a lot of skill in 4, at least it's not Brawl which nobody really did tournaments with.
If you like Melee better, go play Melee."

at least brawl had a neutral game, even if it was mostly defensive

"If they made it exactly like Melee people would complain that it was the same, there is just no way to make Smash fans happy at this point."

>melee players have been wanting another melee game for the past 14 years

"I liked brawl better." "Melee was better." etc. etc.
They get both of these no matter what they do."

there's no reason not to make another melee-esque game

all HAL and Nintendo did to smash bros was make the game more casual, which is a poor decision for the genre
Report Abuse
StealthFreddy is not online. StealthFreddy
Joined: 07 Sep 2011
Total Posts: 7011
11 Oct 2015 12:59 PM
"there are 2 downsmashes that can remotely cover the distance for rolls"
And there are about 30 side-smashes that can reach rolls.
Just predict where they'll end up when they roll and strike there.

"literally none of the techniques in melee are glitches. every single one was programmed into the game."
Like dodging right when you hit the ground to slide backwards quickly?

"at least brawl had a neutral game, even if it was mostly defensive"
What do you mean by brawl having a neutral game?

">melee players have been wanting another melee game for the past 14 years"
And many, many players are happy with 4.

"there's no reason not to make another melee-esque game

all HAL and Nintendo did to smash bros was make the game more casual, which is a poor decision for the genre"
Unless, you know, the majority of Smash players are actually casual.
If they remake melee they'll get angry brawl fans.

Casual =/= bad, as long as it's fun it's fine.
I myself find 4 more fun than Melee, even though it's easier.
Report Abuse
TheLegoGamerDude1 is not online. TheLegoGamerDude1
Joined: 24 Sep 2013
Total Posts: 12077
11 Oct 2015 01:16 PM
Melee vs sm4ash
Still the most useless argument to exist

"Hit the lever!"
Report Abuse
PrinceAtor is not online. PrinceAtor
Joined: 05 Sep 2010
Total Posts: 13135
11 Oct 2015 01:17 PM

"Like dodging right when you hit the ground to slide backwards quickly?"

Sakurai knew about wavedashing when he was making the game, he just didn't think it would matter.
Report Abuse
Firebeastbrawly is not online. Firebeastbrawly
Joined: 13 Aug 2014
Total Posts: 43
11 Oct 2015 02:17 PM
Its true.
When im playing Link (My main) I always sweat for no reason.

Also when your playing online on 3DS its extremely laggy. Even with great internet connection.
Report Abuse
man1912 is not online. man1912
Joined: 16 Aug 2011
Total Posts: 8798
11 Oct 2015 03:08 PM
The only thing I hate about SSB4 is all the on disc DLC
Report Abuse
Qliphoth is not online. Qliphoth
Joined: 26 Nov 2008
Total Posts: 5637
11 Oct 2015 05:51 PM
"Unless, you know, the majority of Smash players are actually casual."

there is no such thing as a casual Smash Bros. games

"If they remake melee they'll get angry brawl fans."

brawl doesn't have a fanbase

"Casual =/= bad, as long as it's fun it's fine.
I myself find 4 more fun than Melee, even though it's easier."

if the game's poorly-designed and fun (if that can occur), then the game is still bad
Report Abuse
StealthFreddy is not online. StealthFreddy
Joined: 07 Sep 2011
Total Posts: 7011
11 Oct 2015 06:32 PM
"there is no such thing as a casual Smash Bros. games"
You were implying 4 was a casual game.


"brawl doesn't have a fanbase"
It does, quite a big one actually.


"if the game's poorly-designed and fun (if that can occur), then the game is still bad"
Being different from Melee =/= bad design.
Also, games have one purpose: Fun.

Tell me why it's badly designed.
I can't really think of any issues that 4 has that Melee doesn't.
Report Abuse
Excallawag is not online. Excallawag
Joined: 17 May 2015
Total Posts: 287
11 Oct 2015 06:33 PM
i really don't care that much

no need to be uncivil in this thread
Report Abuse
StealthFreddy is not online. StealthFreddy
Joined: 07 Sep 2011
Total Posts: 7011
11 Oct 2015 06:35 PM
@Excallawag,
I'm trying to be civil here, honestly.

I'm pretty sure Qliphoth is too, but I'm not him so I wouldn't know.
Report Abuse
Qliphoth is not online. Qliphoth
Joined: 26 Nov 2008
Total Posts: 5637
11 Oct 2015 06:39 PM
"Being different from Melee =/= bad design.
Also, games have one purpose: Fun."

being different from Smash 64 == bad design

games have multiple purposes, depeding on the genre
fighting games are meant to play competitively
competition leads to tournaments for money

"Tell me why it's badly designed.
I can't really think of any issues that 4 has that Melee doesn't."

>too many clones/semi-clones
>too many characters have moves that counter
>controls are unpolished
>knockback is irrelevant
>no meteor cancels
>single player differs from the previous games (which every previous game has, and does right)
>music is lackluster for the variety of amazing soundtracks from past games
>every good character uses the down-throw-up-air combo
>no neutral game
>no edgehogging
Report Abuse
muItiyoshiman is online. muItiyoshiman
Joined: 17 Jul 2011
Total Posts: 7934
11 Oct 2015 06:45 PM
rivals of aether is a pretty good game that uses smash-like mechanics

there's no grabbing, but shielding has been replaced by a counter

basically melee's engine but auto l-cancels
Report Abuse
StealthFreddy is not online. StealthFreddy
Joined: 07 Sep 2011
Total Posts: 7011
11 Oct 2015 06:52 PM
"being different from Smash 64 == bad design

games have multiple purposes, depeding on the genre
fighting games are meant to play competitively
competition leads to tournaments for money"

Fighting games are meant to play competitively, really?
That's an opinion, not a fact.
Apparently them making a remake of Melee over and over would have be a better decision, after all, Melee is the perfect holy grail.

Each game is supposed to be different from the last, if they made a Melee-style game then people would complain they changed something, even if it's one little thing.

Okay...
">too many clones/semi-clones" - Melee has that too.
">too many characters have moves that counter" - Fair enough.

">controls are unpolished" - Not really honestly, they take getting used to but they're done good, it could be worse and you can customize it.

">knockback is irrelevant" - Yeah, getting KOs is irrelevant, amiright.

">no meteor cancels" - A what?

">single player differs from the previous games (which every previous game has, and does right)" - So it's not right because it's not Melee?

">music is lackluster for the variety of amazing soundtracks from past games" - Um...No? Megaman's stage sounds different then the original Megaman music. etc.

">every good character uses the down-throw-up-air combo" - Down-dodge, Smash.
">no neutral game" - No what?
">no edgehogging" - Oh, that cheap tactic that made knocking people up irrelevant compared to the side? I'm glad that's gone.
Report Abuse
Excallawag is not online. Excallawag
Joined: 17 May 2015
Total Posts: 287
11 Oct 2015 06:54 PM
lol'd at freddy and qliloph arguing over which CASUAL FIGHTING GAME is better
Report Abuse
Previous Thread :: Next Thread 
Page 1 of 1
 
 
ROBLOX Forum » Video Game Central
   
 
   
  • About Us
  • Jobs
  • Blog
  • Parents
  • Help
  • Terms
  • Privacy

©2017 Roblox Corporation. Roblox, the Roblox logo, Robux, Bloxy, and Powering Imagination are among our registered and unregistered trademarks in the U.S. and other countries.



Progress
Starting Roblox...
Connecting to Players...
R R

Roblox is now loading. Get ready to play!

R R

You're moments away from getting into the game!

Click here for help

Check Remember my choice and click Launch Application in the dialog box above to join games faster in the future!

Gameplay sponsored by:
Loading 0% - Starting game...
Get more with Builders Club! Join Builders Club
Choose Your Avatar
I have an account
generic image