Vasssy
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| 07 Oct 2015 07:08 PM |
| Anime culture is proof that we defeated Japan so hard. That we took their culture as a war trophy. |
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jrad217
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| 08 Oct 2015 03:06 PM |
On a side note
The "no gaijin bars" in Japan prove that they didn't like us in their country and don't want us coming back |
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| 08 Oct 2015 03:18 PM |
"The "no gaijin bars" in Japan prove that they didn't like us in their country and don't want us coming back" Well, someone needs to tell them it was their own fault we had to come in.
"He who slings mud generally loses ground." - Adlai Stevenson |
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jrad217
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| 08 Oct 2015 03:23 PM |
"Well, someone needs to tell them it was their own fault we had to come in."
We probably could've done with just one nuke and left it at that but the military decided to start a coup and continue the war without the Emperor's support. Nuking Japan was a good idea at the time since most of the citizens of Japan would follow samurai code and die at the hands of the enemy rather than surrender, though the sheer amount of destruction and death from the nuclear bombs along with the mistreatment of the Japanese in the States was unwarranted. |
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FishLAD
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| 08 Oct 2015 03:24 PM |
we can never say that the Hiroshima bomb as a good idea, it was a logical idea? But a good one? Not by any stretch of the imagination...
-fishLAD <*)))>< |
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| 08 Oct 2015 03:27 PM |
"We probably could've done with just one nuke and left it at that but the military decided to start a coup and continue the war without the Emperor's support." The other option comparatively was to keep the war going and see how many Japanese and American lives we would lose by invading the Japanese mainland. Two nukes is probably better that a long bloody invasion that could continue for years. Either way, it is still their fault that they decided to attack one of the most powerful nations in the world at the time.
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jrad217
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| 08 Oct 2015 03:29 PM |
What I meant is that it was logical since it was for the greater good, the nukes were in no way an ethical or moral solution.
We had to pick the lesser of two evils Either attack Japan in a conventional manner and experience heavy losses on both sides combined with civilian deaths like we experienced at Okinawa or use the worst weapons in human history on noncombatants
Unpopular opinion: I think the US is getting pretty nationalistic, we say the pledge and national anthem every morning in our schools and we're acting increasingly xenophobic toward immigrants, even though our ancestors arrived in the States as immigrants themselves. People complain about immigrants stealing our jobs but really, most immigrants pick the jobs nobody wants like back breaking agricultural or industrial work. |
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FishLAD
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| 08 Oct 2015 03:30 PM |
@plex-
When it comes to analysing wars it isn't like "LOL it was their fault" or "they started it" its more like, what can we actually learn from some of the most brutalistic acts that we have ever carried out?
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FishLAD
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| 08 Oct 2015 03:31 PM |
@Jrad-
Thats exactly whats happening here in the UK, everyone is complaining about immigrants all the time its very sad...
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| 08 Oct 2015 03:34 PM |
"When it comes to analysing wars it isn't like "LOL it was their fault" or "they started it" its more like, what can we actually learn from some of the most brutalistic acts that we have ever carried out?" I believe there is something to be said about who started the conflict. I think its shows how aggressive the Japanese culture was at the time as compared to the mostly isolationist United States. There is much more to learn from wars then asking what we did wrong.
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jrad217
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| 09 Oct 2015 04:08 PM |
"Either way, it is still their fault that they decided to attack one of the most powerful nations in the world at the time."
The attack on Pearl Harbor was kinda stupid. The Japanese were trying to scare the US into neutrality, which obviously didn't work. The Japanese also didn't attack critical infrastructure like the fuel reserves at Pearl Harbor, which would've crippled the Pacific Fleet for a much longer time than the attack ended up doing. They made an enemy of one of the most powerful nations on Earth (at the time) in a futile attempt to scare it away.
A lot of the Japanese leaders thought this way too. In the book, The Reluctant Admiral: Isoroku Yamamoto and Imperial Navy by Hiroyuki Agawa, it's said that Yamamoto, the man who planned out the entirety of the Pearl Harbor attack, believed that Japan doomed itself by attacking the Americans, he knew they were going to lose. |
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| 09 Oct 2015 04:13 PM |
The Japanese in WWII probably didn't live by the samurai code, that was most likely a poor justification made by the US. On the other hand, they don't need to justify it because Japan would eventually go and invent anime which today is one of the major plagues of the world. Imo, a few more nukes wouldn't be so bad.
Well that's the end of this post. Remember to rate the post, comment the post, and subscribe if you want to see posts similar to this one. See ya. |
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jrad217
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| 09 Oct 2015 04:20 PM |
"didn't live by the samurai code"
yo dawg ever heard of bushido it's the whole reason behind the banzai attacks and the many civilian deaths at Okinawa and other places
Even though the Meiji Restoration happened, they still kept that part of their culture but applied it to militarism. |
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jrad217
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| 09 Oct 2015 04:28 PM |
| Bushido is also the reason why the kamikaze attacks were seen as honorable, even though most of them failed due to them utilizing old, outdated aircraft like the A5M4 but piled high with explosives. Really, kamikaze attacks only became successful late in the war when the Japanese created specially designed aircraft for it such as the Ohka, a rocket powered aircraft DESIGNED to ram into ships. You can see a surviving one in the Smithsonian. |
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| 11 Oct 2015 09:51 AM |
"The Japanese were trying to scare the US into neutrality, which obviously didn't work." Obviously it had the exact opposite of the desired effect. If they had looked at WWI they would have realized that provoking America only causes them to lose neutrality, not pushes them farther into it.
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| 11 Oct 2015 12:27 PM |
| shouldve dropped it on tokyo and make japan 51st state |
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