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Re: what is ot's opinion on whistleblowers?

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Knewwhatshewanted is not online. Knewwhatshewanted
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07 Oct 2015 04:48 PM
this is an important q
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Casiok is not online. Casiok
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07 Oct 2015 04:49 PM
idk



hoodie allen is god
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WrathOfTheElvhen is not online. WrathOfTheElvhen
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07 Oct 2015 04:50 PM
It really depends on the context to be honest =/
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chocolategorilla is not online. chocolategorilla
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07 Oct 2015 04:50 PM
if I reply negatively you're gonna get all defensive


...just like 7th grade
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Knewwhatshewanted is not online. Knewwhatshewanted
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07 Oct 2015 04:51 PM
"It really depends on the context to be honest =/"

ok, what is your opinion on Edward Snowden and the release of classified documents pertaining to the surveillance of the american public
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DanBrowned is not online. DanBrowned
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07 Oct 2015 04:51 PM
Context is key.
Sometimes they are good, sometimes they're bad.

DanBrowned, the sultan and morally positive lord of Off Topic.
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Knewwhatshewanted is not online. Knewwhatshewanted
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07 Oct 2015 04:51 PM
"if I reply negatively you're gonna get all defensive"

i asked an opinion, not an argument

otherwise i would have written "why dont you guys x"
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DanBrowned is not online. DanBrowned
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07 Oct 2015 04:52 PM
Oh, Snowden?
I'm not sure, honestly.

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chocolategorilla is not online. chocolategorilla
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07 Oct 2015 04:53 PM
"i asked an opinion, not an argument"
that's a first


...just like 7th grade
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Aetricity is not online. Aetricity
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07 Oct 2015 04:53 PM
They are really good 10/5.

#code posts = posts + 1 print(posts)
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Groundskeeper is not online. Groundskeeper
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07 Oct 2015 04:55 PM
Snowden is a traitor who leaked important documents but as an effect we're learning to cover our tracks better to prevent future incidents like it. I think.
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chicka123 is not online. chicka123
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07 Oct 2015 04:56 PM
well i mean there's no reason not to hate them

unless if they lie
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Knewwhatshewanted is not online. Knewwhatshewanted
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07 Oct 2015 04:56 PM
"Snowden is a traitor who leaked important documents but as an effect we're learning to cover our tracks better to prevent future incidents like it. I think."

Moris you're not from the united states so sorry but you don't get to share your opinion

The Government has no right to spy on people
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07 Oct 2015 05:00 PM
Doing God's work.
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Groundskeeper is not online. Groundskeeper
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07 Oct 2015 05:04 PM
"Moris you're not from the United States."

I am 100% American.

"The Government has no right to spy on people."

I agree, but neither does Russia.
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WrathOfTheElvhen is not online. WrathOfTheElvhen
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07 Oct 2015 05:05 PM
I dunno, haven't heard about Snowden before. I am generally okay with surveillance of the public as long as the people in charge are objective and business orientated. If the surveillance is kept secret, then there is not a problem in the first place. So I guess I'm against him releasing the information.

I haven't researched the topic in depth though =/
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Inkswell is not online. Inkswell
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07 Oct 2015 05:06 PM
Traitors.


Vote El Presidente, or else. http://www.roblox.com/Charming-Brian-item?id=296412307
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AlexanderLitvinenko is not online. AlexanderLitvinenko
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07 Oct 2015 05:06 PM
IT DEPENDS. I LIKE SNOWDEN, HE IS OK. BUT I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT HE HID IN A COUNTRY THAT HAS A HORRIBLE HISTORY OF HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. NOT TO MENTION STATE SPONSORED PROPAGANDA.
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Knewwhatshewanted is not online. Knewwhatshewanted
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07 Oct 2015 05:07 PM
"I agree, but neither does Russia."

Snowden isn't a Russian spy. He is an American who worked for the Government and felt obligated to release the stuff he did. He doesn't affiliate with Russia

"I dunno, haven't heard about Snowden before."

incredible

" I am generally okay with surveillance of the public as long as the people in charge are objective and business orientated."

The Government mass collects data of you, your friends, and your family.

Are you ok with the government invading your privacy?
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Groundskeeper is not online. Groundskeeper
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07 Oct 2015 05:09 PM
"Snowden isn't a Russian spy. He is an American who worked for the Government and felt obligated to release the stuff he did. He doesn't affiliate with Russia."

Well you're right there. If America hadn't collected information on its citizens, Edward wouldn't have had anything to leak. Thus he made us aware of it, at least.
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WrathOfTheElvhen is not online. WrathOfTheElvhen
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07 Oct 2015 05:14 PM
"incredible"

Yeah, I'm not that focused on news at this stage in my life.

"Are you ok with the government invading your privacy?"

Yes. As long as it's not used against me, I'm fine. Seeing as I don't do illegal activities, I'm not concerned.

It's not like they're in my face about it. And it'd be paranoa to think that some government officials are interested in my personal conversations or browsing habits.
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Knewwhatshewanted is not online. Knewwhatshewanted
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07 Oct 2015 05:15 PM
"Yes. As long as it's not used against me, I'm fine. Seeing as I don't do illegal activities, I'm not concerned."

this is a fallacy

just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean it doesn't affect other people, ie journalists, businesses, etc

"It's not like they're in my face about it. And it'd be paranoa to think that some government officials are interested in my personal conversations or browsing habits. "

Except this is what's actually happening. Microsoft bought Skype just so the government can spy on it.
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WrathOfTheElvhen is not online. WrathOfTheElvhen
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07 Oct 2015 05:27 PM
Hm, while thinking about you've said, I think the main problem would be for things like people displaying revealing images of themselves, or disclosing super personal information.

Still, I'd like to trust government employees to maintain a professional attitude, much like medical professionals and the like. And would they really monitor every bit of information about everybody? Aren't there programs and technology that will monitor these communications for suspicious activity?

I dunno, I think there is a need for the government to monitor communications as it can do a lot of good, but the chance that the power will be abused does worry me.
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Knewwhatshewanted is not online. Knewwhatshewanted
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07 Oct 2015 05:28 PM
"Aren't there programs and technology that will monitor these communications for suspicious activity?"

the problem is how does the program determine the danger of these communications, ie, how can it distinguish between a bomb threat and a paper about bombs
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WrathOfTheElvhen is not online. WrathOfTheElvhen
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07 Oct 2015 05:33 PM
"how can it distinguish between a bomb threat and a paper about bombs"

And if somebody uses a code word instead of bomb, that makes things more difficult. Many in the future there will be a program that can do this, maybe some sort of limited artificial intelligence, but I still see what you mean.

I guess what I really would like to see, is a leak about how successful these steps have been, and perhaps evidence showing any corruption or exploitation. Mere methods can always be framed in a bad light, but if they're being used responsibly and successfully, I have no problem.
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