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CPMegamach2 is not online. CPMegamach2
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30 Sep 2015 06:49 PM
now that you're online


what in the world is a "sos"

out of my entire life I've spoken spanish, never heard "sos" ever
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chicka123 is not online. chicka123
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30 Sep 2015 06:50 PM
uh this is more of a heartstrings question
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MaxStirner is not online. MaxStirner
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30 Sep 2015 06:50 PM
sos is the voseo form of eres
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MaxStirner is not online. MaxStirner
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30 Sep 2015 06:52 PM
In other words, it's a dialect thing
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CPMegamach2 is not online. CPMegamach2
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30 Sep 2015 06:52 PM
but what is a voseo, or a vos?
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30 Sep 2015 06:55 PM
Voseo is where vos becomes the dominant 2nd person singular pronoun instead of tú
Vos=you
And it also has different conjugations
Quieres (tú)=Querés (vos)

In tú conjugations are always paroxytone, whilst they're always oxytone in vos


Voseo is a dialect in some regions around the globe and it's basically old spanish
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30 Sep 2015 07:01 PM
ok, so you're saying that vos is a different way to say tú, and has its own conjunctions

where

you are (tú) = eres
and
you are (vos) = sos ???

and when you conjugate, you just add an accent to the last vowel?


tell me if this is right: vos comés la manzana
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CPMegamach2 is not online. CPMegamach2
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30 Sep 2015 07:03 PM
and I see in querer, the stem change does not affect vos?
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30 Sep 2015 07:04 PM
It does not

You remove the r and replace it with an s
You also make it an oxytone word (stress on the last syllable)

Though us the voseo people know how to speak and write in tuteo so it's fine
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30 Sep 2015 07:06 PM
And yeah, vos comés la manzana is correct somewhat
sounds awkward, but it's grammatically correct

and sos is an exception
sos has another root

that's practically the only irregular verb in voseo
just like eres is in tuteo
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30 Sep 2015 07:08 PM
ok makes sense
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MaxStirner is not online. MaxStirner
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30 Sep 2015 07:19 PM
It is

Vos was originally used to address royalty, kings, and queens in Spain
Though sometime after the reunification of Spain and the defeat of the moors (reconquista) it becomes the dominant singular informal 2nd person pronoun and replacing tú in the process.

Colonization of the Americas was going on at the time and there was another shift due to the hispanization of Andalusia
The population was divided between tuteo and voseo at a national level, so the conquistadors (mainly of western Andalusian descent, but not exclusively) also divided the Americas in that aspect

Later on tuteo triumphed in Spain and vos became an arcaism exclusive to random towns and the old use: used to address royalty.

A bit off topic, but the use of ustedes as the ONLY plural 2nd person pronoun is also because of the conquistadors mainly being from western Andalusia, this phenomenon is still present in some towns around Granada and Córdoba. In Spain there's plural 2nd person pronouns: vosotros (informal)/ustedes (formal).

The common aspiration of the letter s and it's weak sound compared to northern Spanish dialects is also because of the western Andalusian presence.
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30 Sep 2015 07:21 PM
kk ty for history lesson
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