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Re: Me: "We should have free healthcare"

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AshIeyFromUnderneath is not online. AshIeyFromUnderneath
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23 Sep 2015 04:17 PM
Moron: "THERES NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH ITS NOT FREE THE MONEY COMES FROM SOMEWHERE IDIOT!"

Me: "Oh wow, what an amazing insight! I never knew that! /s"

Seriously people, stop it.
You're not brilliant by saying that.

Everyone knows "free healthcare" doesn't mean it costs nothing. The "free" means it's already paid for by your taxes. Like roads are free. You don't pay tolls on the road. You can point to the fact that they're paid for by taxes but everyone knows they are paid for by taxes. It's just a figure of speech.
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SimpleWayfarer is not online. SimpleWayfarer
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23 Sep 2015 04:20 PM
I wonder what millennials will think of raising taxes when they begin paying bills and taxes themselves.
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AshIeyFromUnderneath is not online. AshIeyFromUnderneath
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23 Sep 2015 04:22 PM
>"I wonder what millennials will think of raising taxes when they begin paying bills and taxes themselves."

Americans work longer hours than any other country on the planet.

You're just a moron who buys into the conservative propaganda that Americans are all lazy and just want everything for free.

The truth is, most Americans are not stupid like you. They realize that you don't get rich simply by "trying hard enough". The system doesn't work that way. They try their best and work as hard as they can but still do not earn enough to provide for their healthcare.

Every other first-world country has implemented this, the US is far behind.
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SimpleWayfarer is not online. SimpleWayfarer
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23 Sep 2015 04:28 PM
"You're just a moron who buys into the conservative propaganda that Americans are all lazy and just want everything for free."

Lmao nice ad hominem. You need to work on polishing your debate skills... and social skills... and people skills.

"The truth is, most Americans are not stupid like you."

Ad hominem #2

"They realize that you don't get rich simply by "trying hard enough". The system doesn't work that way. They try their best and work as hard as they can but still do not earn enough to provide for their healthcare."

You may not get rich by striving for success, but you can at least afford a decent, modest living. Personally, I think socialists are the crazy ones. A perfect society where everyone lives with the luxuries of a Kardashian? Sorry, that's not going to happen- not in this world.

"Every other first-world country has implemented this, the US is far behind."

The costs of living are also higher in these other first-world countries, like Sweden.

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DominosDeliveryGuy is not online. DominosDeliveryGuy
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23 Sep 2015 04:32 PM
>when they begin paying bills
Yeah hospital bills

free health care would screw up so much
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AshIeyFromUnderneath is not online. AshIeyFromUnderneath
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23 Sep 2015 04:33 PM
>"Lmao nice ad hominem. You need to work on polishing your debate skills... and social skills... and people skills."

Don't use terms you don't know what they mean.

>"Ad hominem #2"

Please, define "ad hominem" for me. You clearly don't know what an ad hominem even is. -.-

>"You may not get rich by striving for success, but you can at least afford a decent, modest living."

You just keep on living in your little fantasy world where that is true.

>"Personally, I think socialists are the crazy ones. A perfect society where everyone lives with the luxuries of a Kardashian? Sorry, that's not going to happen- not in this world."

Since you've brought up (incorrectly) a logical fallacy, I'll point one out here myself.

Strawwwww mannnnn.

>"The costs of living are also higher in these other first-world countries, like Sweden."

No. That is simply factually incorrect and you pulled that out of your ass. You only pay more taxes, but the cost of living is significantly cheaper because you don't have to directly pay for college, healthcare, and many other government provided programs.

Most Americans are either incredibly impoverished because they never went to college, or they are in huge student loan debt.
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DominosDeliveryGuy is not online. DominosDeliveryGuy
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23 Sep 2015 04:34 PM
>Strawwwww mannnnn.

Dominos deliveryman uses
Le fallacy fallacy
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SimpleWayfarer is not online. SimpleWayfarer
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23 Sep 2015 04:35 PM
">when they begin paying bills"

or energy, mortgage/rent, cell phone, insurance, auto, water
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AshIeyFromUnderneath is not online. AshIeyFromUnderneath
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23 Sep 2015 04:36 PM
@Dominos

Again, you're misusing logical fallacies.

The fallacy fallacy is when you say a person's claim is false because they used a logical fallacy. This isn't necessarily true because sometimes a person could simply fail to articulate the point.

I never even came close to stating that. So again, you utterly misused the term.
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Gynophobia is not online. Gynophobia
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23 Sep 2015 04:37 PM
@simple Look up ad hominem because OP is right, you clearly are one of those morons.

OP thinks he's so smart when his stupidity is so stupid it actually borders intelligence
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Gynophobia is not online. Gynophobia
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23 Sep 2015 04:38 PM
@dominoes Look up strawman and stop using greentext on the roblox forums it makes you look like an ass :/

OP thinks he's so smart when his stupidity is so stupid it actually borders intelligence
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DominosDeliveryGuy is not online. DominosDeliveryGuy
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23 Sep 2015 04:41 PM
>Again, you're misusing logical fallacies.
I freaking said le for a reason
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DansbyKerman is not online. DansbyKerman
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23 Sep 2015 04:41 PM
Aren't countries with free healthcare usually a bit
uhhh
Smaller?


"my knowledge does not go further than 'you pull the trigger and it goes boom'" -Aardbeien
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SimpleWayfarer is not online. SimpleWayfarer
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23 Sep 2015 04:44 PM
"Don't use terms you don't know what they mean."

Please, define "ad hominem" for me. You clearly don't know what an ad hominem even is. -.-"

You're a moron.

And no, this is not a personal attack. This is a constructive response that contributes significantly to my argument.

"You just keep on living in your little fantasy world where that is true."

As long as you remain in yours.

"Since you've brought up (incorrectly) a logical fallacy, I'll point one out here myself.

Strawwwww mannnnn."

Straw man > ad hominem

"No. That is simply factually incorrect and you pulled that out of your ass. You only pay more taxes, but the cost of living is significantly cheaper because you don't have to directly pay for college, healthcare, and many other government provided programs."

If you say so. But I've read that the costs of living are significantly higher in democratic-socialist countries like Sweden.

"Most Americans are either incredibly impoverished because they never went to college, or they are in huge student loan debt"

[citation]
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SimpleWayfarer is not online. SimpleWayfarer
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23 Sep 2015 04:46 PM
"@simple Look up ad hominem because OP is right, you clearly are one of those morons."

"Ad Hominem - marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made"

This is from Merriam-Webster. Try thinking before you utter nonsense.
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AshIeyFromUnderneath is not online. AshIeyFromUnderneath
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23 Sep 2015 04:49 PM
>"You're a moron.

And no, this is not a personal attack. This is a constructive response that contributes significantly to my argument."

Well, okay then. That's not an ad hominem either, so what's your point?

>"As long as you remain in yours."

"I NO WAT U R BUT WAT AM I?!"

Seriously, could you at least be more creative with your insults?

>"Straw man > ad hominem"

You have demonstrated you do not know what an ad hominem is, and I have yet to commit it once.

>"If you say so. But I've read that the costs of living are significantly higher in democratic-socialist countries like Sweden."

Again, taxes are higher. The cost of living would only be higher for a non-citizen who doesn't benefit from the system.

People in Sweden are not only significantly happier and healthier, but the average family also has a significantly greater income than the average American family.

>"[citation]"

Wait... do I really need a citation that we're facing a huge student loan debt problem and that minimum wage is not enough to survive on?

I will give you those citations if you wish, well, I'll tell you where to find them (because I know you just want me to post links so you can get me banned). But I just am surprised you are so ignorant to how your own country works.
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23 Sep 2015 04:49 PM
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AshIeyFromUnderneath is not online. AshIeyFromUnderneath
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23 Sep 2015 04:50 PM
>"This is from Merriam-Webster. Try thinking before you utter nonsense."

Ah, thank you for proving me correct!

You quoted me insulting you as somehow proof of an ad hominem. Read the definition, you bloody moron. An ad hominem attack is NOT WHEN SOMEONE INSULTS YOU.

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AshIeyFromUnderneath is not online. AshIeyFromUnderneath
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23 Sep 2015 04:50 PM
@2010

What country is this where there is free college AND no taxes?

That doesn't seem possible.
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DominosDeliveryGuy is not online. DominosDeliveryGuy
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23 Sep 2015 04:50 PM
Stop this argument you are both moronic
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AshIeyFromUnderneath is not online. AshIeyFromUnderneath
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23 Sep 2015 04:52 PM
@Dominos

Okay then, what is the truth, God of All Pizza?

Does trickle-down economics work, or does redistribution of wealth work?
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DominosDeliveryGuy is not online. DominosDeliveryGuy
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23 Sep 2015 04:53 PM
>Okay then, what is the truth, of All Pizza?
Pizza as the new currency
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SimpleWayfarer is not online. SimpleWayfarer
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23 Sep 2015 04:56 PM
"And no, this is not a personal attack. This is a constructive response that contributes significantly to my argument."

Well, okay then. That's not an ad hominem either, so what's your point?"

It's your turn to define ad hominem for me.

""I NO WAT U R BUT WAT AM I?!"

Seriously, could you at least be more creative with your insults?"

But it wasn't an insult.

"You have demonstrated you do not know what an ad hominem is, and I have yet to commit it once."

Enlighten me, then.

"Again, taxes are higher. The cost of living would only be higher for a non-citizen who doesn't benefit from the system.

People in Sweden are not only significantly happier and healthier, but the average family also has a significantly greater income than the average American family."

So you're saying these taxes balance the costs of living?

"Wait... do I really need a citation that we're facing a huge student loan debt problem and that minimum wage is not enough to survive on?"

I want a citation that those are the lead causes of poverty.

"I will give you those citations if you wish, well, I'll tell you where to find them (because I know you just want me to post links so you can get me banned). But I just am surprised you are so ignorant to how your own country works."

That wasn't my intention at all. And, no, you're not surprised, you just implemented that sentence to be even more passive-aggressive.
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SimpleWayfarer is not online. SimpleWayfarer
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23 Sep 2015 04:58 PM
"You quoted me insulting you as somehow proof of an ad hominem. Read the definition, you bloody moron. An ad hominem attack is NOT WHEN SOMEONE INSULTS YOU."

I have read it. And I still interpret it as a personal attack. But, whatever you say... "you bloody moron".
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