SyIas
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| 22 Sep 2015 01:37 AM |
lmao
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romuluz
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| 22 Sep 2015 01:42 AM |
You know what's sad is that half of the republicans here don't even understand the bare bones basics of economics or politics and blindly support some guy who doesn't even have any political experience or backing behind him and are too dumb to realize that the racist comments he makes that make them 'laugh' would just be terrible for foreign affairs abroad.
I think there was only one republican dude I talked to here who seemed like he actually knew something, enough to support Rand Paul over Trump. The rest seem to just be talking out of their asses. |
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| 22 Sep 2015 01:43 AM |
| but trump's economic and political polices are sound, only his morals are being questioned my dude |
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SyIas
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| 22 Sep 2015 01:44 AM |
ikr
trump makes some points tho
even tho he cant lead
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romuluz
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| 22 Sep 2015 01:53 AM |
"but trump's economic and political polices are sound, only his morals are being questioned my dude"
To be fair, I haven't heard his political policies, but also to be fair, I think that is the ONLY thing he would exceed at doing.
And political policies? Please. This guy seethes with sexism and racism. If another Ferguson happens when he's in power we can just kiss that city goodbye under endless riots. We can also forget about anything progressive being accomplished under him.
Also, being president requires being good at more than just one trait. We don't just elect the guy cause he can help our economy but would turn around and trash every other aspect of our country because that way we're fixing one problem while intensifying a whole slew of other issues, let alone inviting the possibility of more wars under this loser which will hurt our economy no matter his policies.
This guy is like Bush but worse. It's why I promote Sanders over him, he can help our economy, improve our international image, help the poverty levels, and if he works hard enough maybe even help bring back our middle class. Only hoping he's not another Obama who promises all of this only to not even try to stand up to congress to deliver.(Not that Obama was a bad pres. Just that he didn't do what he promised to do and didn't try as hard as I think he could have. Also was too focused on image which is also why I'm not a Hillary fan.) |
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romuluz
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| 22 Sep 2015 01:54 AM |
| Also his wall is utter crap. There's millions of tax dollars there to something that will still be crossed, fall into disrepair at some point and will, all in all just turn into pointless project. |
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Sevuhrow
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| 22 Sep 2015 01:55 AM |
Being a successful businessman and running a company (unless you invented a successful product, see: Bill Gates,) requires some trickery and underhanded actions. If you know anything about Machiavellian ideologies, you would get what I'm saying.
Thus, Donald Trump can't exactly be trusted in everything he says or does, as manipulation and sly tactics is essentially a way of life for him in order to succeed. Do the morally wrong actions for your own self-benefit. |
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Inductive
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| 22 Sep 2015 02:01 AM |
If you think Sanders can do anything for the economy you probably don't have a basic understanding of our system of government or basic economics.
For example, raising the minimum wage. He would never be able to get it past the House of Representatives. Even if he did, it wouldn't do anything good, because the corporations would merely raise prices to match the increase in the labor price, thus raising the price of everything, or move jobs overseas, where they're cheaper.
Another example, he wants to institute broad socialist policies, but only wants to tax the rich to pay for them. The reality is that taxing the rich to that level wouldn't cover the budget gap, it would merely make them leave to another country. |
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Sevuhrow
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| 22 Sep 2015 02:02 AM |
Sanders wants to do more than just tax the rich. He wants to make cuts in areas and, overall, making spending more efficient in order to complement his goals.
Just simply cutting the military budget, even slightly, gives ridiculous room for improvement. |
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Inductive
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| 22 Sep 2015 02:06 AM |
Sevu, assuming that there's enough money there, and there's not unless you want our armed forces to be volunteers with a BYO gun policy, do you really think he has the political capital to do that? Do you think any President will within the next forty years? The defense industry spreads out perfectly across Congressional districts intentionally, Democrats and Republicans both don't want their local factories shutting down.
Also, his propositions, making the civilian government larger, would also certainly make it less efficient. |
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romuluz
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| 22 Sep 2015 02:07 AM |
I've actually covered a good deal as to why raising the minimum wage wouldn't cause all of these problems you speak of, and these are coming from hundreds of economists who ALSO think it's a good idea and have been pressing the govt. to do it for years now. I'll just list this site here to keep it short so I don't have to write paragraphs as to why the minimum wage raise is a good thing beyond the fact that it was supposed to be meant as a living wage and it is no longer a living wage and how if we give the poor more money that means less on govt. welfare and govt. FAFSA(Student loans) and how they'll have more money to put into the economy:
http://www(dot)dol(dot)gov/minwage/mythbuster.htm
Also, I laugh whenever anyone mentions how "omg he's bringing in socialist programs! how dare he unamerican!" when our entire government isn't pure capitalism, it's Capitalis-Socialist. That's like a sophmore year history lesson right there about how our govt. applies both capitalistic and socialistic features.
Also, saying that the rich would just "up and leave" is a very uneducated statement. Fact is, they wouldn't. At least the ones who's businesses and livelyhood are already very deep rooted in this country and moving would require millions, if not billions of dollars in losses as they transfer their businesses to their new homes. Even suggesting this is asinine. |
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Sevuhrow
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| 22 Sep 2015 02:08 AM |
| I'd rather a President attempt such policies than back down because he's afraid Congress will shoot it down. |
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romuluz
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| 22 Sep 2015 02:11 AM |
"Sanders wants to do more than just tax the rich. He wants to make cuts in areas and, overall, making spending more efficient in order to complement his goals.
Just simply cutting the military budget, even slightly, gives ridiculous room for improvement."
^^^^^
Also I'm going to ask you this, as I ask every other republican person who denies any sort of change a liberal brings forward:
You guys are very well aware that the current economic system is unhealthy for our country: the wage gap is intense and out of control, the poverty levels are insane, and lower class students rely on government grants(Money the govt. does not see back) just to go to school.
But you turn around and say no to anything that may fix this such as increased wages, more taxes on the rich to pay for the country(And no one is talking about taxing them down to middle class levels. They'll still live quite the same way for the most part and will be well rewarded for their extra work). So I ask you this. How do you propose we fix this issue. Cause it is an issue. And I haven't seen one republican do more than shut down liberal fixes, and instead just sit here and pretend like our current system is sustainable long term. |
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romuluz
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| 22 Sep 2015 02:13 AM |
"I'd rather a President attempt such policies than back down because he's afraid Congress will shoot it down."
Yehp!
I was hoping Obama would be a bit more hard headed with congress but unfortunately he wasn't our guy. Hopefully Sanders will do something and I'm glad he's listing his limitations about how he isn't some god sent man bent on fixing all of our problems but instead insists on being one to help push it along. |
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55Altair
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| 22 Sep 2015 02:26 AM |
| Bernie Sanders is a meme candidate and zionist puppet |
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| 22 Sep 2015 02:40 AM |
| blah blah blah opinion text block |
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| 22 Sep 2015 03:47 AM |
| becareful of muslamic ray guns |
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romuluz
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| 22 Sep 2015 03:53 AM |
"becareful of muslamic ray guns"
Oi, i herd those are pretty dangerous this time of the year.
"blah blah blah opinion text block"
Opinion? Nawh mate, those are pure fact. Just seems you don't have any rebuttal.
It's not an 'opinion' that his rowdy behavior will do nothing but bad for our international rep. He's making comments about the kinds of people he's going to be working with. If you say something bad about someone, they're going to react bad, and it's not going to work good for foreign affairs.
As for political standing and him being an utter wretch, it's true, sexism and racism are the polar opposite of progressiveism. We won't get anything new done under him and it'd be a poor trait to have against another Ferguson. Again, pretty factual.
It's also a FACT that he has no political experience compared to other candidates. It's also a fact that his wall won't be effective. These are facts mate, facts that you clearly had no rebuttal to and therefore threw the opinion card. I also see that once again, no one has even tried to do what I asked: Pose your own solutions to something you agree is a problem in our country. So I suppose I could throw you all in with the lot of people who don't truly understand politics, but just jumped on the tump band wagon because he says funny things and seems like the "cool" choice. |
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| 22 Sep 2015 04:00 AM |
im sorry but the definition of an opinion isn't exactly subjective and thus not arguable
but sure just straw man the entire thing see if i care |
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romuluz
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| 22 Sep 2015 04:09 AM |
You do realize that your posing false logical falacies(Do you even know what straw man is? You don't seem to and have currently just completely used it wrong when all I did was use fact.) which is a logical falacy in and of itself right?
You've just completely refused to rebuke any of your own arguements and instead pull the "HAHA, I GOT NOTHING TO SAY BUT I DONT WANT TO ADMIT THAT THIS GUY JUST PROVED ME WRONG SO LOGICAL FALACY! OPINION!"
Also a fact can be proven. I can prove to you that he has no political experience. He's spent his last 30 or so years in TV and hollywood. He's spent no time as a senator, spent no time holding ANY position in the government while his opponents such as Sanders, Hillary, Jeb, Carson, etc, have spent countless decades working with the government as Senators, Governors, Mayors, etc while Trump's sitting on his ass making offensive comments and firing people on Celebrity Apprentice! Yeah, lets just give the most unqualified candidate the job, right?
I can also prove to you he's sexist. He's made comments such as "She would look so much better on her knees" and that inappropriate comment about Megyn Kelly that I am not repeating so as to not be banned. He's made countless comments about Mexican people that are quite rude and untrue and insists on building a wall that frankly will not work(I've already proven this.)
These are facts mate, and no, the definitions between fact and opinion are quite clear. It would take an idiot to not understand them. |
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McOzzy
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| 22 Sep 2015 04:16 AM |
completely agree with the guy above.
#code print 'hi im ozzymen i liketo buy ur items bye' end --green |
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SyIas
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| 22 Sep 2015 12:00 PM |
raising the minimum wage wont increase prices
its already been studied but disproven |
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ScarXD
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| 22 Sep 2015 12:02 PM |
It's almost as funny as Obama's capability when it comes to speaking in front of a mass.
Guardian Units of Nations,Leader~Scar~ |
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SyIas
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| 22 Sep 2015 12:04 PM |
| Idk some of these pro life stances are hilarious |
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romuluz
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| 22 Sep 2015 02:51 PM |
"raising the minimum wage wont increase prices
its already been studied but disproven"
^^^^
Very true but the studies do show that the prices would increase but the rate is like, so insanely small that it doesn't even matter.
It's something like 5 cents per big mac increase or something? So yeah, pretty much the price raise is so non consequential it's not even funny. |
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