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Re: I don't know what part of "it's incomplete" you guys don't..

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fdfxd is not online. fdfxd
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13 Sep 2015 04:39 PM
understand

anything on E3 could change for better or for worse, at any moment

Why are visuals downgraded? Oh because they can't run at consoles at an acceptable framerate(Watch dogs and Aliens colonial marines come to mind)

Why are mechanics removed? Because they suit the game

Just... take everything you see in E3 with a grain of salt,
it's a status update on the current progress of the game, not a representation of the final product.


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livewire66 is not online. livewire66
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13 Sep 2015 04:41 PM
"Why are visuals downgraded?"

"we had to gimp it so consoles could run it"

"Why are mechanics removed?"

"we lied to you to make you buy our product before you knew it was good"
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fdfxd is not online. fdfxd
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13 Sep 2015 04:43 PM
@Live

to be fair they should always disclose that it will change later on and not market the
incomplete version of the... "game" and should only market the final/master version


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Aberforth is not online. Aberforth
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13 Sep 2015 04:55 PM
People who harped on the graphics of Star Fox Zero need to read this.
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roidmod is not online. roidmod
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13 Sep 2015 04:56 PM
I'm sorry but that's still not acceptable.

That's how you marketed your game. When games like Watch Dogs practically used their impressive graphical fidelity as a marketing tool, it's unacceptable to heavily downgrade them not too far from realize.

Removing entire mechanics isn't okay because it's 'subject to change' if it's how you marketed your game then it just simply isn't right.
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Bigtiop26 is not online. Bigtiop26
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13 Sep 2015 04:57 PM
I never understood why they just lower graphics for consoles.

Why not just keep the PC graphics the way they were shown, and put down the console ones?
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roidmod is not online. roidmod
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13 Sep 2015 04:59 PM
"it's a status update on the current progress of the game, not a representation of the final product."

Not really. E3 just serves to market their game, it's not a 'status update'

E3 is just a show with a goal to fill fans with hype, it isn't to give dev blogs on how the game MAY function

Why do you think a lot of the demos are scripted as hell? Why do you think Ubisoft have the absolutely cringe worthy scripted dialogue and gaming bicker? Because it makes it looks better, it markets it better. Nobody wants to see the part in Rainbow Six Siege where there are a bunch of kids screaming or people swearing at each other. Nobody wants to see the part where people just run in and play it like every other shooter. They want to see the part where the mechanics that are there are fully utilized and to really sell the focus of the game: teamwork. (LETS FACE IT, IT ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN IN PUBLIC MATCHES LOL)
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roidmod is not online. roidmod
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13 Sep 2015 05:01 PM
"I never understood why they just lower graphics for consoles.

Why not just keep the PC graphics the way they were shown, and put down the console ones?"

Parity. It really isn't that difficult.

It doesn't look good for a game if the PC version is significantly better than its console counter part.

We're not just talking about graphical downgrades too. We're talking about entire mechanics and worlds being downgraded because of limitations.
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Bigtiop26 is not online. Bigtiop26
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13 Sep 2015 05:02 PM
"It doesn't look good for a game if the PC version is significantly better than its console counter part."

'It's not a good thing for something that's better to show off how it's better.' - Game Developers - 2342
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fdfxd is not online. fdfxd
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13 Sep 2015 05:02 PM
@Roid

But,

the basis of "good" marketing is based on exploitation and deception

you have to lie or else no one will pay attention

show an "okay" looking game then what? no one will cheer,everyone will just glance over and look at the order 1886

however you make promises of "ushering in the next gen"
then everyone pays attention

Is it morally acceptable? no
does it work? all the time

Sure people will look at not so graphically advanced games and appreciate those but, these hundred-thousands pale in comparison to the millions that will fall for the deception, day one

the only real con is, the company will suffer in the long run


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fdfxd is not online. fdfxd
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13 Sep 2015 05:06 PM
"Why not just keep the PC graphics the way they were shown, and put down the console ones?"

1. It's good practice to make sure that the 55% of your audience has a somewhat equal experience to each other, after all, they paid the same 60$

2. it's not easy to do, it's not exactly one button press(you have to go to each mesh,texture,model downgrade them to 4 levels as opposed to 2, re bake the lighting,etc)


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roidmod is not online. roidmod
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13 Sep 2015 05:10 PM
"you have to lie or else no one will pay attention"

GTA V is a fine example

It relied on nothing more but trailers and it is the most successful entertainment product in history, racking over $1 billion and probably a lot more

It delivered and it never made any promises that it couldn't deliver, it was all through successful marketing

Yes, it's an established franchise, but being an established franchise doesn't always result in good sales.

Saying that you have to lie in order for your marketing to be effective just a pessimistic outlook on it

"show an "okay" looking game then what? no one will cheer,everyone will just glance over and look at the order 1886"

Graphical fidelity is becoming less and less of an effective marketing technique due to the amount of exposure it's getting

Fallout 4 isn't a fantastic looking game but it's still garnered so much hype



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fdfxd is not online. fdfxd
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13 Sep 2015 05:17 PM
"Yes, it's an established franchise, but being an established franchise doesn't always result in good sales.
"

GTA V isn't just an "established franchise"
EVERYONE knows about GTA V
hell even people without internet know about GTA

It's an exception to the norm

same deal with Fallout

But yeah people are getting more wise about this stuff
and that's a good thing


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Bigtiop26 is not online. Bigtiop26
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13 Sep 2015 05:18 PM
@roid

"Graphical fidelity is becoming less and less of an effective marketing technique due to the amount of exposure it's getting"

And besides, everyone knows framerate is the only part of graphics.
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tnt91 is not online. tnt91
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13 Sep 2015 05:19 PM
Actually, Fallout 4 is relatively Obscure when Compared to a game like GTA V. It's not on GTA's level of fame and Never Will be.

Also Bethesda is known for Relying Upon lies. Toddler Coward, to be precise.
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Bigtiop26 is not online. Bigtiop26
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13 Sep 2015 05:21 PM
"1. It's good practice to make sure that the 55% of your audience has a somewhat equal experience to each other, after all, they paid the same 60$"

Yeah but one of them also spent money on a PC and the other a console, that first step kinda decides the quality of future $60 purchases.
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fdfxd is not online. fdfxd
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13 Sep 2015 05:24 PM
@big
but 55 is a bigger number than 45 and.... yeah...
as cold as it is...

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Bigtiop26 is not online. Bigtiop26
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13 Sep 2015 05:31 PM
It's like social Darwinism, but with game development.

So not much like Darwinism at all.
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soggyhaxs is not online. soggyhaxs
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13 Sep 2015 06:09 PM
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soggyhaxs is not online. soggyhaxs
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13 Sep 2015 06:36 PM
Wrong one opps
Umm plz forget that i said that
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jamkid12 is not online. jamkid12
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13 Sep 2015 08:13 PM
this thread is sarcastic right
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Ferelcapo is online. Ferelcapo
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13 Sep 2015 08:16 PM
@jam

you mean ironically
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fdfxd is not online. fdfxd
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13 Sep 2015 08:20 PM
@Jam

actually i'm serious

hard to believe

but
NO WHERE DID I SAY THAT THIS IS JUSTIFIED



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jamkid12 is not online. jamkid12
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13 Sep 2015 09:07 PM
no i meant sarcastic

this is some tnt tier posting
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fdfxd is not online. fdfxd
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13 Sep 2015 09:11 PM
@Jam

you can start by telling us what I said wrong, because right now it seems as if you just read the first line and decided to reply.


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