fdfxd
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| 13 Sep 2015 04:39 PM |
understand
anything on E3 could change for better or for worse, at any moment
Why are visuals downgraded? Oh because they can't run at consoles at an acceptable framerate(Watch dogs and Aliens colonial marines come to mind)
Why are mechanics removed? Because they suit the game
Just... take everything you see in E3 with a grain of salt, it's a status update on the current progress of the game, not a representation of the final product.
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| 13 Sep 2015 04:41 PM |
"Why are visuals downgraded?"
"we had to gimp it so consoles could run it"
"Why are mechanics removed?"
"we lied to you to make you buy our product before you knew it was good" |
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fdfxd
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| 13 Sep 2015 04:43 PM |
@Live
to be fair they should always disclose that it will change later on and not market the incomplete version of the... "game" and should only market the final/master version
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Aberforth
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| 13 Sep 2015 04:55 PM |
| People who harped on the graphics of Star Fox Zero need to read this. |
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roidmod
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| 13 Sep 2015 04:56 PM |
I'm sorry but that's still not acceptable.
That's how you marketed your game. When games like Watch Dogs practically used their impressive graphical fidelity as a marketing tool, it's unacceptable to heavily downgrade them not too far from realize.
Removing entire mechanics isn't okay because it's 'subject to change' if it's how you marketed your game then it just simply isn't right. |
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Bigtiop26
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| 13 Sep 2015 04:57 PM |
I never understood why they just lower graphics for consoles.
Why not just keep the PC graphics the way they were shown, and put down the console ones? |
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roidmod
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| 13 Sep 2015 04:59 PM |
"it's a status update on the current progress of the game, not a representation of the final product."
Not really. E3 just serves to market their game, it's not a 'status update'
E3 is just a show with a goal to fill fans with hype, it isn't to give dev blogs on how the game MAY function
Why do you think a lot of the demos are scripted as hell? Why do you think Ubisoft have the absolutely cringe worthy scripted dialogue and gaming bicker? Because it makes it looks better, it markets it better. Nobody wants to see the part in Rainbow Six Siege where there are a bunch of kids screaming or people swearing at each other. Nobody wants to see the part where people just run in and play it like every other shooter. They want to see the part where the mechanics that are there are fully utilized and to really sell the focus of the game: teamwork. (LETS FACE IT, IT ISN'T GONNA HAPPEN IN PUBLIC MATCHES LOL) |
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roidmod
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| 13 Sep 2015 05:01 PM |
"I never understood why they just lower graphics for consoles.
Why not just keep the PC graphics the way they were shown, and put down the console ones?"
Parity. It really isn't that difficult.
It doesn't look good for a game if the PC version is significantly better than its console counter part.
We're not just talking about graphical downgrades too. We're talking about entire mechanics and worlds being downgraded because of limitations. |
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Bigtiop26
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| 13 Sep 2015 05:02 PM |
"It doesn't look good for a game if the PC version is significantly better than its console counter part."
'It's not a good thing for something that's better to show off how it's better.' - Game Developers - 2342 |
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fdfxd
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| 13 Sep 2015 05:02 PM |
@Roid
But,
the basis of "good" marketing is based on exploitation and deception
you have to lie or else no one will pay attention
show an "okay" looking game then what? no one will cheer,everyone will just glance over and look at the order 1886
however you make promises of "ushering in the next gen" then everyone pays attention
Is it morally acceptable? no does it work? all the time
Sure people will look at not so graphically advanced games and appreciate those but, these hundred-thousands pale in comparison to the millions that will fall for the deception, day one
the only real con is, the company will suffer in the long run
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fdfxd
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| 13 Sep 2015 05:06 PM |
"Why not just keep the PC graphics the way they were shown, and put down the console ones?"
1. It's good practice to make sure that the 55% of your audience has a somewhat equal experience to each other, after all, they paid the same 60$
2. it's not easy to do, it's not exactly one button press(you have to go to each mesh,texture,model downgrade them to 4 levels as opposed to 2, re bake the lighting,etc)
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roidmod
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| 13 Sep 2015 05:10 PM |
"you have to lie or else no one will pay attention"
GTA V is a fine example
It relied on nothing more but trailers and it is the most successful entertainment product in history, racking over $1 billion and probably a lot more
It delivered and it never made any promises that it couldn't deliver, it was all through successful marketing
Yes, it's an established franchise, but being an established franchise doesn't always result in good sales.
Saying that you have to lie in order for your marketing to be effective just a pessimistic outlook on it
"show an "okay" looking game then what? no one will cheer,everyone will just glance over and look at the order 1886"
Graphical fidelity is becoming less and less of an effective marketing technique due to the amount of exposure it's getting
Fallout 4 isn't a fantastic looking game but it's still garnered so much hype
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fdfxd
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| 13 Sep 2015 05:17 PM |
"Yes, it's an established franchise, but being an established franchise doesn't always result in good sales. "
GTA V isn't just an "established franchise" EVERYONE knows about GTA V hell even people without internet know about GTA
It's an exception to the norm
same deal with Fallout
But yeah people are getting more wise about this stuff and that's a good thing
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Bigtiop26
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| 13 Sep 2015 05:18 PM |
@roid
"Graphical fidelity is becoming less and less of an effective marketing technique due to the amount of exposure it's getting"
And besides, everyone knows framerate is the only part of graphics. |
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tnt91
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| 13 Sep 2015 05:19 PM |
Actually, Fallout 4 is relatively Obscure when Compared to a game like GTA V. It's not on GTA's level of fame and Never Will be.
Also Bethesda is known for Relying Upon lies. Toddler Coward, to be precise. |
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Bigtiop26
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| 13 Sep 2015 05:21 PM |
"1. It's good practice to make sure that the 55% of your audience has a somewhat equal experience to each other, after all, they paid the same 60$"
Yeah but one of them also spent money on a PC and the other a console, that first step kinda decides the quality of future $60 purchases. |
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fdfxd
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| 13 Sep 2015 05:24 PM |
@big but 55 is a bigger number than 45 and.... yeah... as cold as it is...
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Bigtiop26
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| 13 Sep 2015 05:31 PM |
It's like social Darwinism, but with game development.
So not much like Darwinism at all. |
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| 13 Sep 2015 06:36 PM |
Wrong one opps Umm plz forget that i said that |
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jamkid12
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| 13 Sep 2015 08:13 PM |
| this thread is sarcastic right |
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fdfxd
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| 13 Sep 2015 08:20 PM |
@Jam
actually i'm serious
hard to believe
but NO WHERE DID I SAY THAT THIS IS JUSTIFIED
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jamkid12
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| 13 Sep 2015 09:07 PM |
no i meant sarcastic
this is some tnt tier posting |
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fdfxd
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| 13 Sep 2015 09:11 PM |
@Jam
you can start by telling us what I said wrong, because right now it seems as if you just read the first line and decided to reply.
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