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Re: "God's test"

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Zecrit is not online. Zecrit
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04 Sep 2015 05:44 PM
i dont get any of this.
simpler words, less rant plz
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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04 Sep 2015 05:44 PM
you can say the same thing to santa claus, the tooth fairy, or the flying spaghetii monster



santa claus didnt give you presents because you didn't 'believe enough'
the tooth fairy didn't give you money for your tooth because you didn't 'believe enough'



i get what you are saying, but the majority of people who do believe in religion I think believe because it incentives an afterlife

without an afterlife i bet alot less people would believe.


but again there is no evidence
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Zecrit is not online. Zecrit
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04 Sep 2015 05:46 PM
@Externaldata

This isn't ranting. This is my normal syntax.
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Naraine04 is not online. Naraine04
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04 Sep 2015 05:47 PM
tl;dr version please
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sharpshot327 is not online. sharpshot327
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05 Sep 2015 08:55 PM
I mean pretty much.
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sharpshot327 is not online. sharpshot327
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05 Sep 2015 08:56 PM
@AwesomeKillerKevin There's a lot of evidence, you just appear to have arrived at the conclusion that it is all bad.
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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06 Sep 2015 08:07 PM
"There's a lot of evidence"

I'm sorry but where is this evidence that you are talking about?

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sharpshot327 is not online. sharpshot327
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06 Sep 2015 11:06 PM
Well just to name a few...

1. The cosmological argument
2. The moral argument
3. The teleological argument
4. Historical evidence of Jesus

You may very well say that all of these are invalid, but that doesn't mean that they do not exist.
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sharpshot327 is not online. sharpshot327
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06 Sep 2015 11:09 PM
The claim that there is no evidence is just an attempt to easily dismiss the possibility of Gods existence.
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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07 Sep 2015 09:30 AM
1. The cosmological argument
2. The moral argument
3. The teleological argument
4. Historical evidence of Jesus

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Dude, none of these are 'evidences' they even say 'argument' at the end, with only the exception of Jesus but I'll get to that.


1. The cosmological argument is deeply flawed because it goes on the preposition that "something had to cause it" rather than actually proving it is. Secondly it still avoids the first question "What was the first cause". Thirdly you do not have evidence to say it was a god that caused the preposition, it doesn't necessarily have to be a god, it could be caused by natural events
Even so,
The Big Bang theory states that it is the point in which all dimensions came into existence, the start of both space and time. Then, the question "What was there before the Universe?" makes no sense; the concept of "before" becomes meaningless when considering a situation without time.

2. The moral argument is the weakest argument there is. You don't need to believe in a religion to be a moral person, secondly, morality is not given by god because firstly there is no proof that god exists, and thirdly morality is subjective, its not an objective force, this totally dismantles this argument.
"Do to others as you want done to you" isn't even keyed by Christianity, its common sense, even animals know this behavior, if you do something unfavorable to another animal, they expect something bad to happen. Early Mesopotamia societies and confucian keyed this term before christianity. I wouldn't call God's actions from the abrahamic religions 'moral' flooding entire planet, stoning people,
killing heretics.

3. The teleological argument or "intelligent design" is another faulty argument. Firstly it doesn't prove the existence of god, at all. Secondly intelligent design is not supported by biology at all, and if god is suppose to be this complex and unique creature? Why can we replicate his creations and understand them fairly easily in biology. This argument also cannot be demonstrated at all. Like seriously how do you? I highly doubt a god intelligent designed us.

So you're telling me god spent 13.8 billion years, making stars formed and explode for natural reasons, to finally take 4.6 billion years to create our planet, and spend millions upon millions of years for random mutation for organisms to form into the first humans, humans are not perfect, we have many simple flaws in our biological design. And you are going to continue to tell me that the thousands of thousands of years of our archaic ancestors spent trying to survive for us to get into the modern era where some farmers heard the word of jesus? Lol Not really "Intelligent" design

4. Historical Evidence of Jesus does not prove that god is real. Was Jesus a real person? Maybe? Did he have magical powers? No.

Mohammad was a real person, Buddha was a real person, does that mean their religion is true? No. Anyone can claim to be a prophet and say their religion is true. The ironic thing is there is less sound evidence that god existed compared to Buddha and Mohammad. There is outside accounts that those people actually existed. The only evidence that jesus actually existed is from the christians themselves, I'm not even sure if he was really crucified.
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07 Sep 2015 09:33 AM
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07 Sep 2015 09:36 AM
"Would it not make more sense if religions were actually the test of who's worthy and who's not to pass on/be reincarnated/whatever?"

That IS God's test.

There's many tests which were mentioned in the bible, it's part of life.

I don't see the point of this thread.

I understand you aren't a believer, but must you criticise the entire religion and the people involved?
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07 Sep 2015 09:37 AM
I don't understand why Atheists obsess over religion so much.

What does it have to do with YOU?
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07 Sep 2015 09:38 AM
tl;dr

1. The cosmological argument
-> "argument" not evidence, the cosmological argument is based on the god of the gaps, since we currently don't have knowledge of it, that means 'god did it' yet there is no evidence of how god did it, which god did it, and how he could surpass the big bang theory which states basically there was 'nothing in existence concerning time' before the big bang.

2. The moral argument
-> "argument" not evidence, this argues that since there is objective morality, that god exists, again this has yet to prove how god did it, which god did it, humans have different perspectives of good and bad morality all around the world, its not unified. Morality is shaped by our community and society we live in, not god.

3. The teleological argument
-> "argument" not evidence, this argument of intelligent design has 0% acceptance in the science community worldwide, shows no evidence, and we are here by natural selection and evolution, we aren't intelligently designed, if you look at the universe and evolution of man you'd realize if we were really intelligently designed it was a crappy job.

4. Historical evidence of Jesus
-> How does this prove that god is real? Mohammad was a real person, Buddha was a real person, Emperor Caesar claimed he was a god? Does that mean he is actually god because he claims to be so? Of course not. These characters might of existed, but it doesn't prove that god exists. Anybody can say their a prophet and say they know god. It isn't evidence.
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07 Sep 2015 09:38 AM
i dont understand y religious people obsess over other people being lgbt...

what does being g have to do with YOU?


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07 Sep 2015 09:39 AM
i have spoken with god
he has abandoned us


#1 communist dictator
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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07 Sep 2015 09:40 AM
"What does it have to do with YOU?"

religion keeps getting in secular politics and its annoying.
why can we not argue and criticize religion? if something stands as an authority figure it has a right to be judged.
i have to pass a billboard everyday that says "You're going to hell" and atheists still cannot hold public office in 7 states according to its state constitution.
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07 Sep 2015 09:42 AM
I dont see what's the harm in letting people believe what they want to believe.
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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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07 Sep 2015 09:42 AM
republicans judge and criticize democrats
democrats judge and criticize republicans
atheists judge and criticize religious people
religious people judge and criticize atheists


why are you immune from this?
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HollyFall123 is not online. HollyFall123
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07 Sep 2015 09:42 AM
"I dont see what's the harm in letting people believe what they want to believe."

then let people love whoever they want to love, whether it be the same gender or not.


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07 Sep 2015 09:43 AM
"then let people love whoever they want to love, whether it be the same gender or not"
stupid lib doesn't understand economics


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AwesomeKillerKevin is not online. AwesomeKillerKevin
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07 Sep 2015 09:44 AM
you can believe in whatever you want
the problem is, is religion (especially in the US) keeps getting pushed onto politics and it destroys the freedom of religion

->lgbt rights
->womens health rights
->teaching creation in schools
->religious institutions free from child abuse cases
->7 states still have in their state constitutions that atheists cannot run for office
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07 Sep 2015 09:44 AM
but im agnostic and don't care about religion at all

who cares about the past if it wont help us cope with the future

and OT is not a place to put religious content zecrit

i thought you knew better


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07 Sep 2015 09:45 AM
@awesome

What's your solution? Suck the life and hope out of every Christian because you think theyre all the same?
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