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| 06 Sep 2015 04:56 AM |
| Clans like TGT and TGI, they've shut down due to the owners having real life issues that drive them incapable of prioritizing their group. I think that's damn selfish and should be looked down upon. In the TGI shut down thread, Cast talks about how he doesn't want to give away his hard work to somebody else. Just because he worked hard doesn't mean the LR/HR didn't. Ending that isn't just for you. When you abandon the group, you abandon all the hard work that others have done. It's pathetic. |
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:00 AM |
| this is actually 100% spot on |
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Vauron
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:01 AM |
Their clans, their choice.
Some people just find it better to put a clan at rest; TGI is a good example as it's had terrible leaderships for a while, and I would agree to it being shutdown if Cast can't or won't lead it again. |
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:01 AM |
| He doesn't want to give it away because almost no one can lead it successfully and he doesn't trust them anymore. |
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:03 AM |
| It isn't just about TGI or TGT, Vauron. It's about making a statement to the community that it takes a village to raise a clan. Through teamwork and cooperation, you can achieve virtual success. As to "their clans, their choice," I disagree. They may have ownership, but like I said, it isn't JUST their clan. They have a commitment. It's even worse if they've been passed down the group, and aren't the original creator. |
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Vauron
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:07 AM |
So if TGI were to be passed to another, what would you see?
Me, I would see a bunch of flame wars, clans rallying out of random propaganda and everything going haywire.
I understand what you are implying, but clans such as TGI or TGT must or should be kept shutdown of their successful leaders can't lead them. TGI had a bunch of damn attention and flame a month back over Tainted and his leadership; I prefer to not witness such incompetence again as it appears to be a repetitive nature amongst the clan world.
Unless if you KNOW the clan can be led by another, then heck do it! If not, let it die. |
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:07 AM |
"Their clans, their choice."
so the members who do just as much (and in most cases, more) work than the leader don't get any say in the decision>?
"Some people just find it better to put a clan at rest; TGI is a good example as it's had terrible leaderships for a while, and I would agree to it being shutdown if Cast can't or won't lead it again."
just about every clan goes through terrible leadership at one stage. ucr for years had a parade of them. rsf and vs have ass leaders now while jc had steff until they made the new jc. if you're prepared to go through the bad, you'll get a good leader eventually.
people who shut down clans because they feel there is no one who can run it like he did are egotistical morons who shouldn't lead clans if that's what's going to happen at the end.
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:10 AM |
| I'd agree in the TGI case but for ORKz, without rae orkz would not function. |
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:11 AM |
| I can list a few, but I understand your reasoning and I've already considered it. You make a plausible point about TGI. On the other hand, I believe TGT was holding strong near it's final moments, and that right there is the strength behind my point. TGI, not so much. The lack of leadership strength in TGI is universally understandable. |
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Vauron
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:28 AM |
"so the members who do just as much (and in most cases, more) work than the leader don't get any say in the decision>?" >when a leader with as much influence as rae and cast had leaves, most loyal members do too. but regardless of that (not saying that would happen but it has before), the groups were what they were because of their successful leaders. placing another person in charge of something so successful (or was in tgi's case) is not an easy task. look at manchester united for example; as soon as fergie left moyes was a mess and van gaal is still picking up pieces.
"just about every clan goes through terrible leadership at one stage. ucr for years had a parade of them. rsf and vs have ass leaders now while jc had steff until they made the new jc. if you're prepared to go through the bad, you'll get a good leader eventually." >then you got clans like LS, F.E.A.R, and others who have been going for years and have made little to no improvements at all. passing clans on turns to be a profit more than hope of a good leader................
"people who shut down clans because they feel there is no one who can run it like he did are egotistical morons who shouldn't lead clans if that's what's going to happen at the end." >it's not being egotistical, it's being realistic. look at all the clans who get passed around for money these days; that's because the leader made a terrible mistake passing it onto someone or selling it to someone who can't lead if their life depended on it, therefore resulting in the clan to be a profit machine rather than an actual functioning war clan.
i understand your points, but again they aren't 100% accurate as they too hold so many flaws. i really do want leaders to pass on clans to a capable successor, but on roblox that's very rare. nothing lasts forever, take that from the roman empire's long yet unstable era
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:37 AM |
| I suppose where we cross the line on understanding, Vauron, is whether we think capable successors are at hand or not. I for one believe there were plenty of successor options Rae could have chosen, along with successors that would have still retained loyalty in the veterans. |
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:38 AM |
I belived they should have past it on. But it will never be the same anyway.
Spread it like Peanut Butter Jelly. Do it like I owe you some moneh. Spread it like..... |
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Jradi
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:38 AM |
"it takes a village to raise a clan."
It doesn't. All a clan needs is a man and a vision; that's where success comes from.
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:43 AM |
There will come a time in someones life when they can't just sit on a game all day, real life comes first.
I do not agree with the shutdown, it should have been given to someone capable, but that leads to another question - Who?
I just don't think Cast should be getting yelled at for getting a life and going to college. |
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:50 AM |
| @Jradi - Do you mean to say that Rae has learned scripting, building, ad making, uniform making, and GFX making? Was it solely his money that allowed him to run ads and garner attention throughout the entirety of Roblox? |
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:51 AM |
| @Jradi - I suppose you might also imply that through through Rae alone, TGT held it's activity? Had he been the only HC/HR? He didn't have anyone to host events while he was, let's say, on vacation or on sick leave? |
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:56 AM |
Okay, think what you want but answer me this.
Who will lead TGI/ORKz if they didn't shutdown? |
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| 06 Sep 2015 05:59 AM |
| Baagrog. Bach is too immature. |
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