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Re: PSA: peeps who are new at scripting

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chimmmihc is not online. chimmmihc
Joined: 24 Jul 2014
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06 Sep 2015 12:02 AM
So in the eyes of a new comer to scripting, how would you feel about instead of writing code someone made a plugin to drag and drop code and easily write simple but effect plugins debug and export them all in one interface.

say "OH YES GREAT GARY" for approval

say "nawhoamie" for disapproval.

Serious thread please discuss.
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SoapyDishy is not online. SoapyDishy
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06 Sep 2015 12:03 AM
NO. Scripting would not be taken easily anymore, and no one will learn anymore. DO NOT MAKE THIS GAME LIKE SCRATCH. The beauty is you actually have more freedom in this game. Pleasee don't you dare make it.
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SoapyDishy is not online. SoapyDishy
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06 Sep 2015 12:04 AM
I mean scripting will not be taken has hard anymore
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chimmmihc is not online. chimmmihc
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06 Sep 2015 12:04 AM
What is scratch? I was thinking more along the lines of Unreal's drag and drop interface :^ )
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SoapyDishy is not online. SoapyDishy
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06 Sep 2015 12:05 AM
Don't you dare make it pls. Let this stay a real engine for people who are serious at scripting.
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chimmmihc is not online. chimmmihc
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06 Sep 2015 12:07 AM
Serious at scripting? This engine has most api already done for you mate :P

I got your disapproval already ty
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SoapyDishy is not online. SoapyDishy
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06 Sep 2015 12:09 AM
Exactly. Don't make it easier.
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Wowgnomes is not online. Wowgnomes
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06 Sep 2015 12:12 AM
Lol if it was easier benign able to script wouldn't be an exclusive art
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SoapyDishy is not online. SoapyDishy
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06 Sep 2015 12:14 AM
^^^^ bless you
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Ripepperoni is not online. Ripepperoni
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06 Sep 2015 12:17 AM
> nawhoamie

not worth it,
state above reasons,
floods of crap games.
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LegitimatlyMe is not online. LegitimatlyMe
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06 Sep 2015 12:21 AM
whilst it would be nice to have it, this will be super time consuming because you'll have to script all possible code blocks.

plus, if you want to have drag and drop, check out Scratch
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SoapyDishy is not online. SoapyDishy
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06 Sep 2015 12:23 AM
Rip's reason is why code blocks are terrible. Noobs will make crap games and if I wanted to use code blocks, I'd be at scratch right now.
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Ripepperoni is not online. Ripepperoni
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06 Sep 2015 12:28 AM
but honestly

gofer it
it will be extremely difficult and time consuming to make an actaully useful one but shoot for hte moon
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EchoReaper is online. EchoReaper
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06 Sep 2015 12:59 AM
Drag-and-drop will not make it easier to learn scripting. Dragging and dropping blocks of whatever is completely different than raw code, so even if you use drag-and-drop blocks for 5 years in a row, you still won't improve at scripting, and you're in the same place you started. If you want to make it easier for new people to jump into scripting, you should just publish a bunch of models new scripters could potentially want, and because they'll want to make tweaks here and there they'll improve over time the more models they edit.
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Tokimonu is not online. Tokimonu
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06 Sep 2015 01:20 AM
I PM'ed you my response - for some reason, I cannot post it on here as it apparently has swear words.


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Tokimonu is not online. Tokimonu
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06 Sep 2015 01:25 AM
(nevermind, fixed it)

Please, do not do this, for the love of all things holy.

Do you know how many more horrid games would flood to the front page, with your "scripting"? Many people wish to learn scripting, and if you were to make this flowmap/block coding, people would begin to be extremely lazy, and if they can't make the things they want with it, they will come to you and complain. You also do not want to have to deal with the support, if you do, I salute you.

Think of all of the 10 year olds trying to make an extremely complex game, with FE, and they can't due to limitations of flowmap coding? You would either have to be very helpful with the support, or make sure that every single term in Lua is included in there, and you should also include a guide on how to use it, as well as documentation, otherwise you will be bombarded with questions.

Also, think of how neat it is right now to know Lua. Only around 20-30% of users today know Lua, and that's what makes us scripters/developers special. We know things that others don't, and we can make imagine - we can make. That's the power of scripting, and to be able to have that ability, you must learn. Whether it be through YouTube tutorials, Wiki documentation, or a friend giving a helping hand, you still learn.

Think of Lua as a family parliament, every member of the family has learned Lua, and has taught their children, as it has been a gift passed down from generation, to generation. Next, think of your idea of flowmap coding. You create that, have children, and then give them that. They don't have to learn anything, they just drag and drop until things work, breaking the family parliament. Don't be that guy.

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2JJ1 is not online. 2JJ1
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06 Sep 2015 01:37 AM
JUST. DO IT!
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EmperorOmnesDux is not online. EmperorOmnesDux
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06 Sep 2015 01:55 AM
Well..
It is optional.
But I won't be using it I prefer to learn the hard way.
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llcoolj03 is not online. llcoolj03
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06 Sep 2015 03:09 AM
no



lik if u cri evrtim ;( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg4rs-3VTWI
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BothAngles is not online. BothAngles
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06 Sep 2015 05:03 AM
No
If noobs can't even learn lua, then they're not really trying
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digpoe is not online. digpoe
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06 Sep 2015 05:42 AM
nobody likes gary
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eLunate is not online. eLunate
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06 Sep 2015 05:47 AM
No.

Apart from that it would be difficult to engineer from a design standpoint, I think noobs would just come here asking how to use that plugin and we'd just slaughter them all mercilessly.
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chimmmihc is not online. chimmmihc
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06 Sep 2015 12:45 PM
I wont do it.
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morashsPeasant is not online. morashsPeasant
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06 Sep 2015 12:48 PM
nawhomie
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johnjohncar is not online. johnjohncar
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06 Sep 2015 12:52 PM
I like typing out code its more fun



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