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Re: This is why Bernie Sanders is stupid

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sdght34 is not online. sdght34
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30 Aug 2015 11:38 PM
The United States should never be like socialist Scandanavia. The United States is a super-power, not a country who has very little envolvement and relevance in world politics.

Barry Sanders doesn't realize this, thus making him an idiot. America is too big and too great to be a Socialist state. Socialism is for losers, and Capitalism is for winners. Last time I checked, Capitalism has made big-buck corporations, not socialism.


Bernie Sanders is stupid.
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Vorktu is not online. Vorktu
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30 Aug 2015 11:39 PM
Ronald Reagan is the greatest president ever.
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sdght34 is not online. sdght34
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30 Aug 2015 11:40 PM
@vor

Amen.
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Infomercials is not online. Infomercials
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30 Aug 2015 11:41 PM
reagan is pretty much the reason why america is in so much debt...
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sdght34 is not online. sdght34
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30 Aug 2015 11:42 PM
@info:

LOL

He took is out of debt, you moron. -_-

Never say that liberal lie again.
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Inductive is not online. Inductive
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30 Aug 2015 11:42 PM
Info, the greatest myth ever perpetuated is that American debt is large by historical standards, or that it is at all relevant.
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bluestar831 is not online. bluestar831
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30 Aug 2015 11:43 PM
wut inductive said
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Infomercials is not online. Infomercials
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30 Aug 2015 11:43 PM
he "took us out of debt" by printing loads of money
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sdght34 is not online. sdght34
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30 Aug 2015 11:43 PM
@inductive:

Spot on.
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sdght34 is not online. sdght34
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30 Aug 2015 11:44 PM
@info:

No, he didn't print money. That was Clinton. Reagan made jobs, which no Democratic president has thought of doing to help our economy.
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MarkusScaro is not online. MarkusScaro
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30 Aug 2015 11:45 PM
amen
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gameonbabyCT is not online. gameonbabyCT
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30 Aug 2015 11:45 PM
So the US has socialists too? Good luck if they go in. One week with the socialists in AB Canada cause us to be 6 billion in debt.
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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30 Aug 2015 11:46 PM
Interesting, but the only troubles I envision in an American transition to socialism are the large population and the aversion that population has to socialism. I'm not sure that our stature as a super-power has anything to do with our inability to become a socialist state, aside from our adamant position during the Cold War.
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zdude3000 is not online. zdude3000
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30 Aug 2015 11:48 PM
"Reagan made jobs, which no Democratic president has thought of doing to help our economy."

FDR

but whatever




also i'd hardly call him a socialist



to my understanding he still believes in the foundations of capitalism but is trying to fight the corrupt state of it all


he doesn't believe in Laissez-Faire because he isnt dumb
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30 Aug 2015 11:49 PM
The cause of free college got another boost last week when Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent Senator from Vermont and Democratic presidential candidate, introduced the "College for All Act," a bill to make four-year public colleges and universities tuition-free.

Sanders framed the need for free public college by saying that, "in a global economy, when our young people are competing with workers from around the world, we have got to have the best educated workforce possible. And, that means that we have got to make college affordable."

While these goals are the right ones, the reality is that free public college would make it harder to achieve them. Part of the concern relates to how best to use government funds. The idea would cost $70 billion per year, more than twice what the federal government spends on Pell grants. And much of that money would provide a free education to students whose families can already afford it.

But even more important than how much we spend and who we spend it on, we should ask ourselves what impact free public college would have on the delivery system of higher education. That is, would free college make higher education more efficient, more innovative and higher quality?

This question is not insignificant. At a basic level, there are two routes to affordability: subsidizing to bring price down or making something cost less to deliver. The focus of government policy for decades has been on the former approach. We need more of the latter.

And cost aside, it's becoming increasingly clear that the system often fails to deliver the high-quality educational pathways that many students need to be successful in the modern workforce. For example, as I mentioned in my last post, a recent Gallup-Lumina Foundation survey found that only four in 10 Americans agree that colleges are changing to "better meet the needs of today's students." Only 13 percent of respondents felt that college graduates are "well-prepared for success in the workforce."

Given the shortcomings of the status quo, it's important to ask if free public college would make the system more cost-effective. And would it lead to a larger variety of high-quality, flexible options, fostering, as Sanders mentioned, the "best educated workforce possible"?

Unfortunately, there are good reasons to be skeptical. Right now we have a decentralized system where students can take much of their student aid with them to the institution of their choosing. This enables a wide variety of organizations – public and private – to offer a range of different educational programs.

In contrast, free public college would limit choice as many private institutions, now trying to compete with a highly-subsidized, free public option, would likely struggle to survive. In addition to reducing options, this would significantly reduce pressure on public institutions to serve students effectively.

Many free college proponents would likely point out that by providing aid directly to institutions, the government can actually exert more direct control over how they operate. For example, Sanders' bill would require institutions to reduce their reliance on adjunct professors. But are such top-down controls really likely to create the dynamic and innovative system that we need? By trying to dictate innovation from Washington, such a proposal is more likely to create a system that is rigid, bureaucratic and unresponsive to the changing needs of students and the economy over time.

Some readers would rightfully ask: If a decentralized, choice-based system is so virtuous, why do we see so many issues with quality and cost under the status quo? As my colleague Andrew P. Kelly and I wrote last year, two fundamental issues plague the current system. First, for a variety of reasons, institutions have much more incentive to meet enrollment targets and pass students through than to help ensure they are successful after graduation. The recent debacle with Corinthian Colleges is an extreme example of this. In short, institutions need more "skin in the game" in terms of the outcomes of their students.

Second, there are a remarkable number of regulatory barriers preventing new and innovative educational institutions from gaining a foothold. Thus, what occurs naturally in other industries – innovative market entrants shaking up the status quo – rarely occurs in higher education. Policymakers must work to clear out unnecessary regulatory underbrush that impedes new options.

Fundamentally, the "price" of free public college is more than the money taxpayers would spend on it. By moving us to a system based largely on public institutions managed through top-down regulation, Sanders' proposal would exacerbate the challenges above, not solve them.

Instead, policymakers should look to foster more entrepreneurship in higher education while giving all institutions a real stake in their students' success. Rather than reinforcing the status quo, such reforms would move us toward a higher education system built for the 21st century.
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MarkusScaro is not online. MarkusScaro
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30 Aug 2015 11:49 PM
how can we expect to be a super power if we turn socialist

literally no incentive to work hard
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Falsewarrior000 is not online. Falsewarrior000
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30 Aug 2015 11:51 PM
Cite your sources, 7th! Your monologue was written by Kevin James of US News.
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zdude3000 is not online. zdude3000
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30 Aug 2015 11:51 PM
also our economy needs the government involved because they provide stabilization to the economy

~source The Instant Economist
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7thAvenue is not online. 7thAvenue
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30 Aug 2015 11:51 PM
Bernie's socialist platform may be applied to smaller more cooperative countries like Nordic countries, but not in the USA, never.
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7thAvenue is not online. 7thAvenue
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30 Aug 2015 11:52 PM
What you think I would try to pull that off as my own lol
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sdght34 is not online. sdght34
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30 Aug 2015 11:52 PM
@zdude:

My bad, i meant moder democrat since the democrats used tk be the conservative party.
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CasteIlianOfArcadia is not online. CasteIlianOfArcadia
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30 Aug 2015 11:53 PM
Reagan had other things to focus upon, like build up the military in the event that there is a war between the Soviet Union & the United States - both nations with nuclear capabilities.
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Infomercials is not online. Infomercials
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30 Aug 2015 11:54 PM
@inductive,

tbh I agree that the debt is barely relevant. If china wanted to, they could destroy the US's economy, but they wont because they sell their products in the US.

oh and yeah reagan did create many jobs, but he tripled the debt to $3 trillion in his term
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sdght34 is not online. sdght34
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30 Aug 2015 11:54 PM
@zdude:

You have it all wrong. Without the government regulating your business, you can make money faster. Also, the government won't take away half of your hard-earned cash and give to some lazy coach potato living on welfare.
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7thAvenue is not online. 7thAvenue
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30 Aug 2015 11:55 PM
I can tell zdude has no idea what he's talking about lolz =3

hehe political talk on c7g is the c00test
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