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Re: "THIS GAME HAS 400 HOURS OF CONTENT SO THAT MEANS IT'S GOOD"

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fdfxd is not online. fdfxd
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29 Aug 2015 08:49 AM
I'm sitting here thinking of whether or not this is a good thing,
Because how much of that 400 hours is going to be actually fun gameplay?

I'm just so sick of people comparing games depending on how many hours it would take to complete a game it's just such a stupid metric,


Skyrim has a 100 hours of content but I only enjoyed the first 20 hours

Team fortress 2 has a mere 5 hours of content yet I played that for 250 hours

I'd rather play 20/5 hours of well made, well designed, well paced content, than waste 300 hours of skinner box side quests and monotonous gameplay for the same price tag

Now I think bethesda knows how to balance the Quantity vs Quality thing very well

But please.. just stop, it's not a valid measurement,

I enjoyed Deus Ex HR far more than I enjoyed any AC game
I enjoyed Dishonored far more than I enjoyed any TES game

So just stop comparing games based on length..


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muItiyoshiman is not online. muItiyoshiman
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29 Aug 2015 09:29 AM
xenoblade chronicles 3d is great but it can get so grindy sometimes
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StealthFreddy is not online. StealthFreddy
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29 Aug 2015 10:07 AM
fdfxd does it again.
Good point here.

This is why even if a review says "it's only 8 hours" I at least think "But is all 8 hours fun?" And if it is, I then look at the price.
8 hours of fun is the minimum amount I set, as I'm not paying even $5 for 5 hours of gameplay.
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fdfxd is not online. fdfxd
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29 Aug 2015 10:09 AM
@Multi

grindy... brings some bad memories

@Stealth

Okay fair point I guess



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StealthFreddy is not online. StealthFreddy
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29 Aug 2015 10:12 AM
An example of a game that only a fraction of it was fun for me: Castle In The Darkness.
I played 24 hours, but I think only about 12 of those hours were fun, the rest was just frustrating and cheap deaths. (I'm pretty sure it made use of the health bar in the way of falling spikes a few times...It also adopted bad game design because "old games did it, therefore it's good" like 1-shot spikes everywhere.)

That's what you get when an artist makes a game... (Even if it's the one from Binding of Isaac: Rebirth, good artist =/= good game designer.)
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AntiJokeCat is not online. AntiJokeCat
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29 Aug 2015 10:19 AM
That's pretty much the Ubisoft mentality

Gameplay is pretty generic but at least we have a lot of the same activities

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fdfxd is not online. fdfxd
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29 Aug 2015 10:33 AM
@Anti

MY POINT EXACTLY


This is why I despise AC revelations and rogue

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jrad217 is not online. jrad217
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29 Aug 2015 10:35 AM
mario kart double dash has maybe 2-5 hours of content

i've played that game maybe 500-100+ hours with my brother and friends
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jrad217 is not online. jrad217
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29 Aug 2015 10:35 AM
*1000+
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muItiyoshiman is not online. muItiyoshiman
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29 Aug 2015 10:39 AM
And doesn't autosave a lot too so when I finally got out of a huge level (inside of the mechonis) I go all the way back...
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StealthFreddy is not online. StealthFreddy
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29 Aug 2015 10:41 AM
@jrad,
Review it.
"I didn't play much so I wouldn't know but I think it's okay."
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jrad217 is not online. jrad217
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29 Aug 2015 10:49 AM
Okay

Best Mario Kart game ever
Bowser shells are OP but make the game at least 10 times more enjoyable
The drifting was good, it wasn't weird like with MK Wii
4 player split screen
a gamemode dedicated to bombs
Each weight class has pros and cons, like how smaller characters are faster and accelerate better but are easier to kick off the edge
2 players in one kart, though you can ruin friendships like that
Don't have to do ridiculously hard BS like beat Nintendo people in time trials to unlock stuff
All cup tour gamemode
Had a lot of fun memorable tracks like DK Mountain, Waluigi Stadium, Wario Colosseum, and Baby Park (if you picked Bowser and Bowser Jr on that track, you're a horrible person)

10/10 best game
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LordVisorak is not online. LordVisorak
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29 Aug 2015 11:12 AM
"Skyrim has a 100 hours of content but I only enjoyed the first 20 hours"
"Now I think bethesda knows how to balance the Quantity vs Quality thing very well"

nice one

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29 Aug 2015 11:13 AM
"Skyrim has a 100 hours of content but I only enjoyed the first 20 hours"
"Now I think bethesda knows how to balance the Quantity vs Quality thing very well"

Well memed my friend fd

*tips sega genesis*


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StealthFreddy is not online. StealthFreddy
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29 Aug 2015 11:13 AM
Dang Lord.
I'm sure you could send nice letters to many politicians.
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fdfxd is not online. fdfxd
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29 Aug 2015 11:28 AM
@lord
and I'm talking about fallout


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NightFury898 is not online. NightFury898
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29 Aug 2015 11:47 AM
Witcher promised 200+ hours of gameplay.

I enjoyed all the time I spent with it.

Now I'm saving for a good pc to re play witcher 3 again.

-|Heavy Panzer on the prowl|-
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Peper255 is not online. Peper255
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29 Aug 2015 11:50 AM
400 hours of content makes me cringe too much

i can barely finish a 10 hour game
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29 Aug 2015 12:29 PM
I enjoyed Deus Ex HR far more than I enjoyed any AC game
I enjoyed Dishonored far more than I enjoyed any TES game [2]
the one game with 9999999 hours of content so far looks like pure fun, hope it can live up to hype [no mans sky]


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MiniMaster7 is not online. MiniMaster7
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29 Aug 2015 01:04 PM
It's not a good thing. Games being judged on the amount of content is definitely bad. Devs think what people want are long games like Skyrim, but we don't. Quantity is good, but only if the quality is there. Look at portal, a length of just 4 hours. If the developers had made it longer the content would be stretched so thin it wouldn't be good anymore. Long game lengths are more of a marketing gimmick than anything with real substance. If you played an amazing game that was good start to finish you won't be complaining that the game was too short. One thing you do have to be careful of is to charge the right price though. You wouldn't want to pay $60 for a game that's short and mediocre *cough* *cough* Order 1886. Games are trending towards boring slogs through heaps of content not worth your time. Not to say that games like Skyrim and Witcher 3 aren't good, they are in their own ways, but a lot of the time it isn't done as well, and even these games don't have the same moment-to-moment fun gameplay that games like Transistor and Thief (2000, not 2014). Games shouldn't be designed to occupy as much of your life as possible, that's what MMOs are for. And that's just so they can suck the most money out of you as possible. People shouldn't have to convince the game they're playing is worth the money with the hours played, it should be how much they enjoyed it in a single session. With more content the polish goes down and so does the game design. Open world games stretched to 200 hours will never be as immersive as a good linear game. We wouldn't watch a movie that's 5 hours long over another just because it takes more time to complete, so we shouldn't have the same mindset with video games.

Quality > Quantity.


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fdfxd is not online. fdfxd
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29 Aug 2015 01:06 PM
@Mini

Well said.
+2


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29 Aug 2015 01:07 PM
well said mini, well said


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29 Aug 2015 01:07 PM
"Well said.
+2"

wow fd is easily impressed by long paragraphs that have little to no meaning in them
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29 Aug 2015 01:08 PM
fun is messured in game content
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DishonoredTwo is not online. DishonoredTwo
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29 Aug 2015 01:09 PM
"It's not a good thing. Games being judged on the amount of content is definitely bad. Devs think what people want are long games like Skyrim, but we don't. Quantity is good, but only if the quality is there. Look at portal, a length of just 4 hours. If the developers had made it longer the content would be stretched so thin it wouldn't be good anymore. Long game lengths are more of a marketing gimmick than anything with real substance. If you played an amazing game that was good start to finish you won't be complaining that the game was too short. One thing you do have to be careful of is to charge the right price though. You wouldn't want to pay $60 for a game that's short and mediocre *cough* *cough* Order 1886. Games are trending towards boring slogs through heaps of content not worth your time. Not to say that games like Skyrim and Witcher 3 aren't good, they are in their own ways, but a lot of the time it isn't done as well, and even these games don't have the same moment-to-moment fun gameplay that games like Transistor and Thief (2000, not 2014). Games shouldn't be designed to occupy as much of your life as possible, that's what MMOs are for. And that's just so they can suck the most money out of you as possible. People shouldn't have to convince the game they're playing is worth the money with the hours played, it should be how much they enjoyed it in a single session. With more content the polish goes down and so does the game design. Open world games stretched to 200 hours will never be as immersive as a good linear game. We wouldn't watch a movie that's 5 hours long over another just because it takes more time to complete, so we shouldn't have the same mindset with video games.

Quality > Quantity. "

Apparently you don't follow the quality > quantity rule.

You could say that in 3 sentences mate, this isn't english class and you don't have to impress us.


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